From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:42 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FUVW7OPC8ZHQ10@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 02:28:10 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id BAA06903 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 01:23:21 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:20:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Gavvin Quinn Subject: Re: Ideas on the Wizard Spell List Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com, celestial@mlists.net Reply-to: wolfpack@applink.net Message-id: <19980923152035.23914.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f ---Thrythlind@aol.com wrote: > > And at 6th Level > Force Bolt > T: Spell > M: Wand > I: Caster points at victim and says "Force Bolt"x10 > R: 50' > E: Target dies > > Cost: 1, Max: 4, 1/G > Why? This is the same as Curse except the incantation is one syllable shorter. Wizards are powerful enough as is. They don't need more spells. Wizards pay the least for thier weapons AND get warskill at 5th level. Wizards are the only spellcasters that can have more than 4 lives, the only class that can enchant themselves and still cast spells (defend), have both spells that can be cast while moving, have the largest spell list, etc. My suggestion for changes to the magic users would be to: 1) make the weapons cost equal for all MU classes if they can use a particular weapon. 2) Give Healers the Cancel spell and a reason to advance past 4th level 3) Give the Bard a larger spell list including spells that are unique to them. Just giving them them more spells from the other classes is NOT going to fix the class. Just my opinion, Lord Gavvin Quinn 6th level Warrior 6th level Healer 6th level Assassin 5th level Wizard _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:42 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2E0BB7DGG90MCDB@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:41:47 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA32146 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:52:07 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:00:11 -0700 From: kalin2@juno.com Subject: Re: JW on CK Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19980929.184612.13582.0.Kalin2@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 Precedence: bulk X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-28 References: <002501bdeb3a$45419b80$ee64e3cf@megsinet.net.megsinet.net> X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Well, guess that answers my question. One thing though. I think instead of saying "Amtgard groups," it should say, 'Amtgard Kingdoms." Otherwise, it is helps to seperate those sponsored by the kingdom. Prime Minister Kalin On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:49:39 -0600 talisin@juno.com writes: >>Still, I have a question. What if you happen to participate in two >kingdoms under >keeping credit totally seperate? > >I love this one- really, I do, I love it, because it's just so WEIRD- > >I don't know if the BL Corpora covers this (haven't seen it in its >entirety in a long time)- but the rulebook does. > >p. 2 of the rulebook, in the big paragraph at the top, somewhere's in >the middle- "No one may simultaneously belong to more than one Amtgard >group." > >Personally I think this should be clarified (defined more clearly so >it isn't open to interpretation or strange loopholes- and don't say it >can't be because I know that it *has*) and included in the Corpora if >it isn't there already- but there ya go. =) > >Tal >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get >completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno >at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:42 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2DYVOK6HC90MPUM@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:00:57 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA31901 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:09:30 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:00:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Nikos Weissdrake Subject: DEMO Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: announce@amtgard.com Cc: claw-l@horus.anth.utep.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Wow, someone using the list for what it's meant to be used for. Amazing. There is a Demo on October 3rd, 1998, at the Airport Holiday Inn, in El Paso. I need approximately 20 people in GOOD garb, and with good attitudes to contact me about attendance. (If someone could forward this to the Dragonspinians, and or Golden Lions, I'd be appreciative.). The Demo starts at 10 AM, and will last to Noon. In return for our participation, Amtgard will get a free boot for the Gaming Con, for INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY. We cannot sell anything from this booth. The Demo will be held in one of the conferance rooms, so those participating, will not have to worry too much about damage to their bodies. In addition, I would appreciate a "Herald". Someone to describe to the Mundanes what they're seeing, and maybe answer questions. All interested parties, please contact me by Friday, Oct 2nd, 1998 at this email address. Nikos From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:43 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2DYYGBF9S8ZEWTT@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:03:11 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA31917 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:10:15 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:28:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Zeb Stiles Subject: Help finding some one. Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: Amtgard-l@amtgard.com Cc: S_ZSTILES@pstcc.cc.tn.us Message-id: <01J2DN8TZHTW001F8D@PSTCC6.PSTCC.CC.TN.US> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Hello everyone, I normally don't send in to the list but I recieved an e-mail not too long ago about someone posting some clan pictures and it made me wonder. This past Clan XVI was my first clan and a group of 5 of us made the long journey down to NM from way up here in Tennessee. I had a falling out with one of my friends while I was there and ended up getting into a fist fight with him at about 3am. After I finished kicking his ass and Lord Kalidor pulled us apart I had but one injury, a nice BITE out of my side. Well, the next day I ran into a couple of Wardancers fellows that had wittnessed us argueing the night before and he asked whatever happened after that, I told him and of course he laughed, but then he asked if he could have a picture of this viscious bite a had received the night before. So.....This is why I'm posting this letter, I don't know the name of that drunken Wardancer but I would really enjoy haveing a copy of that picture. Thank you all for your time. GilanBluff, Champion of Mystic Glade From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:43 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2DYYVY9RK8ZELRU@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:03:32 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA31938 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:10:54 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:31:14 -0500 From: Shanti Day Subject: RE: [CK] All Day, All Knight (sorta long) Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: celestial@mLists.net, amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <71A35A967F6ED111BC890060977D362D05C931@mail.childinc.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f X-Priority: 3 happy to respond Kahl :) > Ohhhh! Now I get it. We recognize someone has the potential to be a > Knight, we award them, and when we finally decide they are ready; we > grant them a title and belt. Then we see if they can handle all of this, > and continue to glorify our kingdom before they are a full fledge > Knight........ Soemthing like that, yes. > Wait a second. When that person finally gets the Knights belt, that > should be it. Period. You think so, huh? The definition of a knight is someone who gives CONTINUAL service to the club. The current problem is that too many who are awarded their belts do NOT continue to give after getting the station. ONCE YOU GET YOU RWHITE BELT, THE JOURNEY HAS JUST BEGUN, IT IS NOT OVER!!! I don't know why you would think that it is, but it is obvious that you will never be a knight if you truly think this way. Would any of the knights care to comment on this? i agree with both of you. A good knight continues to give service (or fights well, or does a&s, or whatever) to the club after they get a belt. However, the stupid games that are played with knight's belts are...well, stupid. If a CoK feels that a person deserves a belt, if previous monarchs (or dukes, barons, etc) felt the person deserved the awards, If a King feels a person should be knighted - then that person is a knight. They should not be REQUIRED to continue to prove themselves....they should, however, continue to prove themselves :) (hope that little statement made sense). I for one remember that for almost a year after i got my belt, i wanted nothing to do with much of the workings of this game. For many people who are screwed with, strung along, played with, and lied to before they get their belt - the final knighting is almost like letting the air out of a balloon and then go inactive for a while. Requiring them to continue to give active service to the club is not fair or rational. shanti * The ideas expressed are those of the author and in no way reflect those of Child, Incorporated or any of its employees or members of its Board of Directors. This text may be reproduced only if this message is included. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kahlanth Methwyn [SMTP:kahlanth@rocketmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 11:38 AM > To: DeWolfe, Todd; celestial@mLists.net; amtgard-l@amtgard.com > Subject: RE: [CK] All Day, All Knight (sorta long) > > Your sarcasm is dully noted. > > > > Ohhhh! Now I get it. We recognize someone has the potential to be a > > Knight, we award them, and when we finally decide they are ready; we > > grant them a title and belt. Then we see if they can handle all of > this, > > and continue to glorify our kingdom before they are a full fledge > > Knight........ > > Soemthing like that, yes. > > > > Wait a second. When that person finally gets the Knights belt, that > > should be it. Period. > > You think so, huh? The definition of a knight is someone who gives > CONTINUAL service to the club. The current problem is that too many > who are awarded their belts do NOT continue to give after getting the > station. ONCE YOU GET YOU RWHITE BELT, THE JOURNEY HAS JUST BEGUN, IT > IS NOT OVER!!! I don't know why you would think that it is, but it is > obvious that you will never be a knight if you truly think this way. > Would any of the knights care to comment on this? > > > > Probationary time periods and other periods of > > learning are for Pages and Squires. Maybe that Squires belt should > have > > some qualifications and standards instead. > > > Listen here.... squiredom is a probationary period in and of itself. > It is a time for the squire to decide if he/she will aspire to > knighthood or not. It is a time of hard work and service to the club, > which is often thankless. It is many things, but mostly... it's an > honor. Squires may need to have standards set into place to help with > getting quality people into knighthood, but it will not stop people > from getting a white belt and just stopping all their service to their > kingdom. THAT is the real problem, because Knights are supposed to be > the penultimate of Amtgardians... the best of the best... the creme de > la creme. To say that we have achieved this lofty standard would be a > lie, to say the least. > > Kahl Methwyn > Squire to Sir Kamal Mustafa of Golden Plains > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:43 1998 Return-path: Received: from findmail.com (m3.findmail.com) by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with SMTP id <01J2DPHUW0808ZEQQZ@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:32:33 CST Received: (qmail 11070 invoked by uid 505); Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:25:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 11611 invoked by uid 7770); Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:24:59 +0000 Received: from oz.memphis.edu (141.225.11.62) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:24:59 +0000 Received: from memphis.edu ([141.225.163.207]) by oz.memphis.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14299; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:24:37 -0500 (CDT) X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/farwoods-l/ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:24:36 -0500 From: mlsheltn Subject: [farwoods-l] AGH! To: TruFemale2@aol.com, olear@online.no, farwoods-l@makelist.com Message-id: <361125E4.6033AAA3@memphis.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Delivered-to: listsaver-findlist-farwoods-l@makelist.com Mailing-List: contact farwoods-l-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: farwoods-l@egroups.com (general distress call commencing ...) I am typing this not from my computer but from one at school. Due to a recent computer crash, all internet resources have been lost (lucky me, I was being stingy for once and was waiting to buy ZIP disks later for archival purposes!). Some screwy program decided it would like to go and write to the boot sector of my main drive, and so now it's an invalid media type. Oh joy. Anyway whatever conversations that were going on are only in wetware now. Should any of the computer literate among you have suggestions about software to obtain for editing disk partition and boot sector info, I am all ears. And for those of you who I've been talking with over time, what exactly were we talking about? The ultimate irony of this? I was running a Commodore 64 emulator at the time! 8-) Matthew Shelton, the computerless mlsheltn@memphis.edu http://www.people.memphis.edu/~mlsheltn ______________________________________________________________________ Subscribe, unsubscribe, opt for a daily digest, or start a new e-group at http://www.eGroups.com -- Free Web-based e-mail groups. From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:43 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2DRCDK89C8ZFIIU@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:25:29 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA30846 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:58:05 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:51:59 -0500 From: fionghal@chaosbutterfly.com Subject: (Fwd) Olympiad, Lucas-style Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: celestial@mLists.net, amtgard-l@amtgard.com Reply-to: fionghal@chaosbutterfly.com Message-id: <199809291915.OAA13612@mail1.hic.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: "Lucas Wyngarde" To: wetlands-l@thewetlands.org Subject: Olympiad, Lucas-style Date sent: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:16:35 PDT Send reply to: wetlands-l@thewetlands.org For those who missed it, nyah! nyah! nyah! Aside from a little emotional angst on Friday night, I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed the weekend. It was good to see the Usual Folks as well as the Out-of-Towner who made the trek. There were a LOT fewer people than we had hoped, (like less than half the expected amount) but that made for a smoother event on the whole. The highlights included: Mosquitos From Hell. Worse than any hurricane or Wetland Monsoon, these little buggers made sure no one stood still for long, and made the OFF company a million Amtgard dollars. My white t-shirt was speckled with red spots from smacking so many of the little bastards. DIE BUGS DIE! DIE! Friday Night Ditch Fights - On and On and On Until Dawn (mostly because the bugs would carry you away when you stopped!) The War Tourney That Wouldn't End. Fortunately, I joined the Gold Team, and only had to WATCH the cheese. Kudos to Spyn (ROGUE!) for winning the Warskill Olympics. A MILLION A&S Entries. I was going to volunteer to judge, but when I saw the 3000 pounds of awesome artwork, I knew more patience was needed than I could muster. When I left the site at 11AM Sunday, Kayrana was STILL doing the math... Who won? Who knows? Killjoy (Anubis) and the Amtgard Puppet Pals. I was in a pretty foul mood until I sat through this little satire. Nube, you are a genius, man. I have NEVER laughed so hard at an Amtgard event. I can't wait for the sequel. ("why you gotta be like dat?") Court and Feast ROCKED. Not only was I entertained, I ate more food than the rest of Rogue Company combined (except Spyn, where'd you pack away all that meat?) Ultra-Kudos to the Raiders for both cooking and serving a wonderful meal. Speaking of kudos - YAY! to our newest Knights. Fionnghal and Slyddur step up to the plate - and SCORE! The Golden Corral - Restaurant to Amtgardians Everywhere. I ate there three times in three days and never regretted it. It ain't the best, but when you're hungry, all-you-can-eat cheesecake hits the spot! Sable and the EM-50 Mobile Urban Assault Vehicle. Scarheart and Friend playing the string duet! Real talent in Amtgard! I'd also like to thank Tinuviel for making room for me! The electric fan was a great idea! And thanks to Isabelle for the ride home, the trip just isn't the same without you! Anyway, I know there was lots of other cool things going on, but I was not paying much attention. Anyways, grea job to all! See you all at Quals! I remain, Still scratching the bites, Luc Bugslayer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Allways in service Fionnghal Nic Phaidin Dancer of the Way To stumble twice against the same stone is a proverbial disgrace. -Cicero From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:43 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2DTO39AN48ZEQWQ@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:32:15 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA31087 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:15:13 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:52:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Gavvin Quinn Subject: Re: QQQQ Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com, Mastor Baytor Reply-to: wolfpack@applink.net Message-id: <19980929185212.14815.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Get a grip! McFadden shelled out MUCH more than that for the land itself and you don't see a white belt around HIS waist! (Nor should he have been knighted for that. He DID recieve a much deserved Order of the Dreamkeeper for his contribution to the society though.) Lord Gavvin Quinn ---Mastor Baytor wrote: > > Got another for ya. > > Can I buy a knights belt? If i give that dude that want the rocks > $1500, will you knight me? > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:44 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2DRJK4BI890MJNU@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:31:51 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id NAA30922 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:15:19 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:13:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Thrythlind@aol.com Subject: Re: [CK] If I ever... Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: kahlanth@rocketmail.com, Amtgard-l@amtgard.com, Celestial@mlists.net Message-id: <4758e56f.3611315c@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f I apologize for the misunderstanding, allow me to clarify: I do not believe that honor can be deliberately sought, that is just glory, seeking a reputation. Honor is about how you act without having to stop and think is this honorable or not. In fact I'd probably be fairly hard to satisfy, the way I see it so many people spend so much time trying to satisfy some code (Bushido, Chivalry, the US civil and criminal codes. Miss Manners, whatever) that they make a number of ethical, moral or logical mistakes because their chosen code doesn't cover a specific circumstance. There is nothing wrong with looking for a little fame and glory, just don't call it honor. In a message dated 9/29/98 12:44:56 PM Central Daylight Time, kahlanth@rocketmail.com writes: > > So instead, allow any Joe Blow to pick up a white belt without doign > jack to earn it, right? NOT!!! I have pride in my knight, and many > others. I know what kind of effort they put forth to get things done. > I see how hard they work to make a game that we all play, still > playable. You would cheapen the one institution that keeps us all in > the same game. That's truly sad. > > Has knighthood been degraded so much that no one recognizes it > anymore? Ah, for the old days, when Allesandra, Selka, and many other > knights I know were WORKING for their belts... even after they had them. > > And for the record, I never sad anything about behavioural guidelines. > All I said was "set a standard of service to be follwoed for one year". > > > > ---Thrythlind@aol.com wrote: > > > > ...find myself following some set requirements as a rigid set of > behaivoral > > codes so that no one says anything about me, I will no longer be me. > If you > > wouldn't knight someone for their normal, everyday behaivor, don't > knight them > > and then give them a bunch a behaivoral requirements to follow so > that they > > don't embarrass you, that's unfair to all parties involved. > > > From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:44 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2E6U80CGG8ZFICJ@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:48:50 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id UAA00486 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:24:32 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:38:40 -0700 From: sulkrist@juno.com (Michael E Atreides) Subject: Re: CK bottom line Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: aramith@thoth.anth.utep.edu, amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19980929.182325.10783.0.sulkrist@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 Precedence: bulk X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-4,6-9,14-15 References: X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:52:32 -0600 (MDT) Sir Aramithris writes: >She is right, a King who violates corpora is the same thing as a >kingdom who violates corpora. Many attempts have been made to discuss this >with the CK principal officers involved in responsible positions. Their >responses, for what they are worth, have been noted. In the medieval world, where a King WAS his Kingdom, yes. In Amtgard, where "monarch" is, when you get down to it, another name for "Chapter President", no. You can't punish a whole kingdom for the actions of one man. That's like nuking a whole country just because the president is a slime. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:44 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2E4597CTS8ZFSHZ@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:31:26 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id TAA00220 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:25:17 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:41:33 -0700 From: sulkrist@juno.com (Michael E Atreides) Subject: Re: [CK] September 1998 B.O.D. Minutes Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: SkeevenMac@aol.com Cc: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19980929.182325.10783.1.sulkrist@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 Precedence: bulk X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-7 References: <95b4a8c9.361064b0@aol.com> X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:40:16 EDT SkeevenMac@aol.com writes: >Even the USA which most of us get to play this wonderful game on has that exact law. No one may accept a title from another land. Tell that to Norman Schwarzkopf, a Knight of the Order of Bath. ________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to use the Internet? Get fast, reliable, affordable Web access From Juno, the world's second largest online service. Download your free software here. From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:45 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2DTYRGVV490MB5M@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:40:44 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA31104 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:19:08 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:17:19 -0400 From: Aaron Armstead Subject: Re: Magic in Fantasy Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <3611404E.BE69F1@gate.net> Organization: The Guilds MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk References: X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Creatures such as elves and dwarves are often written as magical creatures, but in point of fact, unless specifically written as magical, creatures such as these are merely fantastical rather than magical. For example, dwarves are, in many stories I've read, completely non-magical. They are generally creatures which deal with the power of technology. They are fantastic creatures, not magical ones. --------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Armstead aka Brother Dagorin of the Holy Order of the Dragon aka Dogarin, the Ancient One aka The Dragon High Guildmaster and Leader of the Nocturnalists Society Ambassador Jaroc of the Dalurian Alliance May the Winds of Fate favor thy wings. dogarin@gate.net http://www.gate.net/~dogarin - Check it Out DC.? f++ s++ df++++ h++++ C? a+++++++++++++++++ $ m d+++ WL? Fr++ L? B? e++++! g? i! u+++! From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:45 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2DU4PPLTC8ZEKVN@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:44:57 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA31120 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:19:49 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:21:17 -0700 From: "John Elmore Jr." Subject: Re: [CK] September 1998 B.O.D. Minutes Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <017a01bdebe6$b880dbe0$0201010a@frontdesk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f X-Priority: 3 -----Original Message----- From: Thrythlind@aol.com Subject: Re: [CK] September 1998 B.O.D. Minutes >The idea of the King as BEING the land is ludicrous. If you think that the >current ruling body of a kingdom, or duchy or whatever, take action against >them, not their realms. But in Amtgard, the populace of a kingdom has the final approval over that Monarch's actions. If a Monarch (or any officer, for that matter) acts in a manner totally inconsistent with or in direct violation of the Corpora/Contract/Rules of Play, it is the populace's right -- actually, their responsibility -- to hold them accountable. That is why the section on removing officers is in the Corpora, after all; to prevent some Monarch or other official from thinking that He Is The Way And The Light and can do no wrong. By letting Father Thomas' alleged violations go without comment, CK affirmed him the right to do so. And I think that it'd be _far_ more dangerous for the BL BOD to be micro-managing the officers in the various Amtgard chapters. By holding the kngdom as a whole accountable for the actions of its officers and other members, they are actually allowing the kingdoms a great deal of power to decide how to handle things in their groups -- all they're asking is that you play by the letter of the rules they set forth, if not the spirit. > I have heard that there was another attempt to dissolve a kingdom recently. >This scares me tremendously. You think knighting someone outside of a kingdom >is a dangerous precedent (and it is) then what do you call the complete >dissolution of a kingdom? The BL BOD's purview to do so, under the contract that that kingdom (which happens to be MY kingdom, by the way) signed with the BL BOD. We have had a dangerous habit of ignoring or outright violating the Corpora and Contract, and most of it was done with the tacit approval of the populace. If you can convince an Allthing that it's OK to do, you can get away with it -- at least, that's how it's been played up until recently. This "brush with death" has hopefully made people see the light; we'll see how the coming reign goes. >If you dissolve a kingdom for the actions of its king now, will you dissolve >another for the actions of its Guildmaster of Reeves later? If the members of that kingdom make no attempt to hold that king or GMR responsible, then someone must. > Yes, if what you say is true, this is a serious matter, but I don't know all >the facts so I won't presume to render a firm judgement, but it is still the >actions of the representative of this kingdom. The actions of a single man, >not the actions of the kingdom as a whole. Who chose that single man as their respresentative and "chief executive", as it were. >Despite this you intend to punish >all the rest of us, maybe even preventing us from legally playing this game. > Yes, we elected Father Thomas, but that does not mean that we have much say >in the way he operates. The corpora does not provide for any sort of >impeachment practice, but then I don't think we need it, or that it would be a >good idea. Then I ask you to re-read section 3.3 of the Corpora, which _does_ provide for the removal of group officers, and get back to us. >The only way an officer loses his status, going by memory here, is >lack of attendance (otherwise Le Gray and Thax probably wouldn't have been >king long). Actually, a petition signed by 20% of the group's dues-paid members is all you need to get the ball rolling. Then you need 2/3 of the group's members to vote to remove the officer. It can be vetoed by joint agreement of the Monarch and Prime Minister, which means a) you'd better get your PM to agree with you, and b) the Corpora needs to be revised to account for the possibility that either of these officers needs to be removed. If Le Gray and Thax were that bad -- and knowing very little about CK's history, I couldn't tell you if they were -- then they could have and should have been removed. >However, this means we have to live with whatever descisions that >officer makes for six months. In the next reign it should be possible for a >new King to undo anything the populace did not approve of, so it shouldn't >matter too much in the long term. In my opinion, _this_ is the most dangerous attitude for a populace to have. It is the attitude that VSR has had for much of my memory, and look where it got us; one vote away from being dissolved, apparently. It is this attitude that people in power hope for -- both in Amtgard and in Real Life(tm) -- because then they can pursue their own agendas at the expense of everything else. Jay (= From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:45 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2DU2VJ8OW8ZF15P@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:43:22 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA31153 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:26:00 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:24:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Valdemar Gillanders Subject: RE: [CK] All Day, All Knight (sorta long) Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: DeWolfeT@Woomera.af.mil, celestial@mLists.net, amtgard-l@amtgard.com, kahlanth@rocketmail.com Message-id: <19980929202409.24464.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [152.200.165.53] X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Greetings from Valdemar!! After many years of travel in the SCA and now having spent some time in Amtgard I notice that some of the reason that peers stop doing a lot of things after they are belted is because of a lack of thankfulness from the general populace. You see a knight of the serpent who is known for making garb and they make a perfectly splendid piece of garb and people just say "oh of course. they're a knight of the serpent." Or a knight of the flame autocrats a huge event that's a great success and people say "well, it's not like they did anything special. after all, they are a knight of the flame." With such thanklessness coming from everyone I don't blame them for devoting all their time to the things they did to receive their belt. I remain, Valdemar Gillanders >Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:48:29 -0700 (PDT) >From: Kahlanth Methwyn >Subject: RE: [CK] All Day, All Knight (sorta long) >To: "DeWolfe, Todd" , celestial@mLists.net, > amtgard-l@amtgard.com >Reply-To: Kahlanth Methwyn > > >We cannot represent our knights as historically accurate. It just >isn't so. The period of being a squire is good for prospective >knights, and is an invaluable experience... a lesson in dealing with >people and problems. But it is not a requirement for knighthood, so is >not really a probationary period for a knight at all. > >Instead, my hope is to concentrate on NEW knights... those who will be >knighted in the future. My suggestion for a clause in the Corpora that >requires knights to continue their service to their kingdom for one >year after they are belted is geared toward discouraging those who >want knighthood for the belt, or for the classes, etc. The overall >point is that no one will even attempt to try for knighthood unless >they are truly dedicated to their kingdom and Amtgard as a whole. > >The idea is rough, I realize. I also know that there are some fine >points that I have overlooked, deliberately so. My goal right now is >to get feedback from anyone who wishes to share it, and attempt to >modify the suggestion to accomodate as much as is possible. > >The problem, simply stated, is that there are people out there who are >becoming monarchs of groups and they feel that they are doing ok by >using the letter of the Corpora as guidleines for knighting people. In >short, they aren't reading the part that says "discretion". So, I say >we define what discretion is, to a degree. This allows those who >follow the Corpora to the letter to continue doing so, without >devaluing the quality of knighthood by bestowing it on just anyone who >is interested. > >Please, everyone, let's discuss this like adults and try to find a >solution that everyone can live with. > >Kahl >> > correct me if I am wrong guys, but I think Kahl and FT and Ally are >> > simply saying that because some people do things just to get >knighted >> > then act unbecomingly and exactly opposite of that which a knight >> > should >> > or they just stop doing wheat ever they did to earn the belt all >> > together...they stop serving thier kingdom and land.....that they >> > should >> > have to do things which show they are truly in service of the club >> > even >> > after recieving thier belt by doing things that relate to what ever >> > they >> > are knighted for. >> > At least that is how I understood it. >> > >> > Circadia >> > >> > On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:54:38 +0930 "DeWolfe, Todd" >> > writes: >> > >Ohhhh! Now I get it. We recognize someone has the potential to >be a >> > >Knight, we award them, and when we finally decide they are ready; >we >> > >grant them a title and belt. Then we see if they can handle all of >> > >this, >> > >and continue to glorify our kingdom before they are a full fledge >> > >Knight........ >> > > >> > >Wait a second. When that person finally gets the Knights belt, that >> > >should be it. Period. Probationary time periods and other periods >of >> > >learning are for Pages and Squires. Maybe that Squires belt should >> > >have >> > >some qualifications and standards instead. >> > > >> > >Wolfie >> > > >> > >> This is a very good start. However, the question may arise as to >> > >> "how" the >> > >> new Knight is to perform said continuing service. Should these >> > >> requirements >> > >> be written down,..if not,..should they be Circle of Knights >> > >> observation duty? >> > >> Also,...if continuing service would be required,...should that >> > >service >> > >> be in >> > >> the same vein as the belt awarded. i.e.; Flame Knights would be >> > >> required to >> > >> continue to perform unstated service to His/Her >Kingdom,....Serpent >> > >> Belts >> > >> would b required to take on the task of collegiums and >> > >> training,...Sword >> > >> Knights would be expected to host scheduled fighter training? >> > >> Note,..these are all merely ideas,..and a subject of discussion >at >> > >the >> > >> present. >> > >> >> > >> Father Thomas >> > > >> > >> > ___________________________________________________________________ >> > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >> > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >> > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >> > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:46 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2DU72ICBK8ZETN5@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:46:47 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA31182 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:28:09 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:26:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Valdemar Gillanders Subject: Re: [CK] All Day, All Knight (sorta long) Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: mistresscircadia@juno.com, DeWolfeT@Woomera.af.mil, kahlanth@rocketmail.com Cc: celestial@mLists.net, amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19980929202633.16706.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [152.200.165.53] X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Greetings from Valdemar!! Read my previous post. I remain, Valdemar Gillanders....playing Devil's advocate >Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:43:52 -0700 (PDT) >From: Kahlanth Methwyn >Subject: Re: [CK] All Day, All Knight (sorta long) >To: Cadia cir Laughs Alot , DeWolfeT@Woomera.af.mil >Cc: celestial@mLists.net, amtgard-l@amtgard.com >Reply-To: Kahlanth Methwyn > > > >You interpreted it correctly, Circadia. This is, in essence, what we >were trying to convey. I find it really disappointing that others >think this isn't an issue, or worse... they think it's wrong to make >the knights keep working for their belts. > >People, you all need to know that knightood is given for the highest >in service, combat, arts, and leadership in Amtgard. To NOT demand >higher quality of ourselves is only lessening the value of that award. >What does it mean when a society of slackers gives an award for hard >work? > >Kahl > >...that they should >> have to do things which show they are truly in service of the club >even >> after recieving thier belt by doing things that relate to what ever >they >> are knighted for. > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:46 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2DZ5DDJ8W90LQIW@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:08:45 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA31958 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:13:03 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:42:23 -0500 From: Esther Strohmeyer Subject: Olympiad Results! Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l , Claw List , Celestial Kingdom List , Wetlands List Reply-to: esther@eramp.net Message-id: <3611462E.2133FF41@eramp.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Ok, Topknot and I are agreed after recalculating the scores several times. Overall Olympian: Squire Forest (EH) Cultural Olympian: Lady Shaylen (EH) War Olympian: Sir Spyn (WL) Here are some comments on how winners were decided and some intresting stats. Olympian was calculated by the combined placing of War events and Cultural events. The person with the lowest score won (ie had a combined war/cultural scoring that was closer to 1st than any other) Forest's (Cultural 12/war 12 total of 24) closest condender was Diego (2/25 total of 27) Cultural Olympian was the one with the highest combined score of entries that counted. Entries that count are those that are that person's two best scores in a category and above 2.0. Shaylen had a score of 65.65 (average score of 3.106) and Diego, he next contender had a score of 47.91 (average score of 3.422). Diego's stuff was really good and could have given her more competition if he were more diverse. That armor was really spiff. War Olympian was the person with the highest score for tournament wins (1 pt), tournament placing (3,2,1pts for 1st, 2nd, 3rd respectively), and archery points. Spyn had 35 pts, his next contender, Drake, had 22. Just some comments on people of merrit: Blank (a total newbie) placed in tournaments above Lief and Infinity. (I now hear people complaining that the reeving was not fair, so this seems less impressive to me...wish they would have talked to me. I would have dealt with it.) Joakim (also a total newbie) had the highest average score of 4.51 over his 3 bardic entries. This is the guy who played the Violin with Scarhart on the Mandolin. Of whom Luc commented "Wow, real tallent in Amtgard!" The highest scoring peice was: Scarhart singing "Shield Wall" (4.60, 1st in Singing) Killjoy's puppet Show (4.1) Totally origional and funny. Political satire is often a tough thing to do. I guess the bardic (which had 23 entries in singing alone) impressed the judges because nothing made less than a 3. I was suprised, that even though the Judges were complaining and bored, the entries were still good. This section was given more 5's by judges than any other. Terarin even gave Scarhart a 5 on "Mary Mack", the only one from him for 230 entries. I can't decide if it's because none of the judges are performers and the guts to get up in front of people really impressed them (this was in fact Terarin's comment) or because Scarhart is a total babe. ;) Ivar was totally impressed with Tollan/Cap'n Black's Armor. (4.29, 1st in Armor) It had engraved and painted Celtic knotwork. It was very, very cool. And with Diego's squires belt that had his entire Amtgard history in painted murals with Spanish captions. (4.38, 1st in Garb Accessory) The most popular category was 2-D Art with 40 entries. There were some really impressive entries here. Clearly the most competitve Cultural category of all of Olympiad. And I'm sure all of Amtgard will be happy to know that the winning entry was Deigo's "Group of people looking at a Rulebook" The proposed new rule book cover. (4.43) I thought Diego was a real contender for Cultural Olympian, is sad, I know he really wanted it. Personally, I was totally impressed with his Brigidine armor (4.24, 2nd in Armor construction). But diversity won out and that is sort of the way it was designed. I'm kind of sorry for Diego, but Shaylen is a great artist and she actually read the rules. (Her garb is really great.) Diego had 5 2-D art ( a 1st and a 3rd place) and of course only 2 of them counted. Shaylen showed me her first attempt at sewing A beatiful green court dress (3.64, 8th place) I was really impressed. Her green and silver angel wing tunic placed first (4.04). I doubt I still own my first attepmt at sewing, and I certainly wouldn't have entered it in Olympiad. Shaylen, you do EH credit espically with our reputation of poor Arts and Sciences. Rumors really mean nothing, look who shines when it comes right down to it. I'm of the opinion that Olympiad is not the place to look to give people awards, I mean by this time it should be obvious who has tallent and they may even already have awards for the stuff they entered. But just in case, when all scores are posted, In my opinion, anything that managed to get a 4.0 or better is award materal. Just a little EH brag here, Spyn is originally from EH also. So all winners of Olympiad VIII are EH bred. Dame Kayrana Borderlands, Emerald Hills Olympiad VIII Co-Autocrat From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:46 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2DULYC79S90M2W2@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:59:39 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA31335 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:46:29 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:44:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Duke Sir Naes Weissdrake Subject: Re: [CK] Re: CK bottom line Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: DarkLordFT@aol.com Cc: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19980929204445.23470.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [204.214.145.2] X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f ><< So when exactly was this written into the Corpora? I know that BL knighted > EH's first queen and then Delphos....he was EH when they did it to. Sorry I > would just like to have all the facts straight on this and would like to know > when it became breaking the law...and was it because it happened to often? > > Thank you for clearing this up. > > Alessandra >> > >I for one would also like to know the details of this. Not that it matters to >the CK,..we never did Knight anyone outside of our >Kingdom,...subsequently,..we did not break a Corpora rule. However,...if >someone else did?????? > >Father Thomas, Rex > > How would it be possible if the newly made EH kingdom tried to knight someone, without having a knight themselves. More than likely the story is that either the King of BL who was a knight, or the a BL Knight represenative, did the knighting...of course this is all a guess, because I wasn't there... Sir Naes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:47 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2DVKDWRQ890K4L4@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:26:25 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id PAA31477 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:09:51 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:08:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Master Cain Subject: Re: How about keith is right? Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: Ratspitter@aol.com, aramith@thoth.anth.utep.edu Cc: MistrsWynd@aol.com, amtgard-l@amtgard.com, claw-l@amtgard.com, claw-l@horus.anth.utep.edu, celestial@mlists.com, ironmtn-l@iex.net Message-id: <19980929210820.17010.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [207.149.222.75] X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f >I would go farther than that, I have a sneaking suspicion that CK has >given out more white belts this reign than all the rest of Amtgard >combined. Yes, more CK belts than the other nine kingdoms all put >together. I will go farther, the last two years, same thing, more than >the rest of amtgard combined. Not to cause a ruckus, but I thought that VSR had the singular (dis)honor of having created the most knights of any group in the shortest period. I understand that they've stopped the practice of churning out white belts wholesale, but the old joke still crops up: "What do you call a first-level newbie in VSR? Sir." Cain "Life is pain. Anyone who says differently is selling something." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:47 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2DVXLB8SW8ZEQTG@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:36:59 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id PAA31586 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:15:36 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:11:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbin Russell Subject: Re: Olympiad Results! Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: eh-list , amtgard-l , esther@eramp.net, Claw List , Celestial Kingdom List , Wetlands List Message-id: <19980929211151.23613.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Congratulations, Forest, Shaylen, and Spyn. The Hills are nothing without the people within. Huzzah. Sir Corbin, King of those Hills > > Just a little EH brag here, Spyn is originally from EH also. So > all winners of Olympiad VIII are EH bred. > > Dame Kayrana > Borderlands, Emerald Hills > Olympiad VIII Co-Autocrat _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:47 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2DWT6WZAO8ZEZDQ@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:01:41 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id PAA31729 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:45:12 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:16:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Allydor@aol.com Subject: Re: [CK] Re: CK bottom line- dates and names EH Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: duke_sir_naes@hotmail.com, DarkLordFT@aol.com Cc: amtgard-l@amtgard.com, eh-lists@flail.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f ok...here is exactly how I recall since I was there. M'Deth Knights and puts crown on Reyna June'88 - Crown Reyna knights Nevron at Clan July '88 (waterfall) - Sword M'Deth knights Delphos at Clan July '88 for bringing amtgard to Dallas - Flame Reyna knights Alessandra at EH coronation December '88 - Serpent Alessandra knights Reinholt for bringing amtgard to amarillo forming Golden Plains...sorry can't remember the actual date was after June of '89 and before December of '89 Alessandra knights Garath coronation December '89 - Sword (champion and field) Nevron knights Alessandra coronation December '89 - Crown So....by the Copora now....are these valid? There were no contracts back then...and not sure which edition Copora we were using then either. As I stated in an earlier post Tawnee the then Queen of the Burning Lands put the Crown on my head at Coronation June of '89...since it didn't look right me putting it on myself I was Princess/protem Monarch and Aramithris was her Regent at the time. This is the first day that I did not look back at that time with joy. now....what other dreams can we make ugly? Not directed at you Naes....just very disappointed right now. Alessandra << ><< So when exactly was this written into the Corpora? I know that BL knighted > EH's first queen and then Delphos....he was EH when they did it to. Sorry I > would just like to have all the facts straight on this and would like to know > when it became breaking the law...and was it because it happened to often? > > Thank you for clearing this up. > > Alessandra >> > >I for one would also like to know the details of this. Not that it matters to >the CK,..we never did Knight anyone outside of our >Kingdom,...subsequently,..we did not break a Corpora rule. However,...if >someone else did?????? > >Father Thomas, Rex > > How would it be possible if the newly made EH kingdom tried to knight someone, without having a knight themselves. More than likely the story is that either the King of BL who was a knight, or the a BL Knight represenative, did the knighting...of course this is all a guess, because I wasn't there... Sir Naes From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:48 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2DWT0O7KG8ZEFMC@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:01:35 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id PAA31745 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:47:11 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:46:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth C Shannon Subject: Southeastern Events!!!!! Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu X-Sender: dak@banyan To: amtgard-l Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Comments: RAA01911 on banyan (hop 0), Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:46:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f I just wanted to take this time to tell everyone about the southeastern inter-kingdom events coming up!!!! Oct 9-11th: Dragon's Rage III, sponsored by our good friends to the north the Barony of Dragon's Keep, it proves to be a very big deal!!!! GO, GO ,GO!!! Nov 6th-7th: Harvest Feast II: held right here in Darkwater East, this event will have live entertainment, multiple quests and games, a slave auction, and GREAT FOOD. It is a two day event. We have a number of homes for people to stay at, so if your coming, reserve a place to stay today!!! Jan 16th-18th(Martin Luther's Birthday weekend, I do not have a new calandar in front of me): Silverwater invites everyone to come on down to enjoy the sun!! A huge feast hall, and a great deal of planning of events makes this the event of the winter!!!!! I left out the corinations and believe there is an event planned in december by falling fire, but do not quote me on it yet. :) But as you can see, this is the time to be in the southeast!!!!!! Come and join us!!!! See ya, Kitirat From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:48 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2DX1XMIS08ZDVLH@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:08:44 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id PAA31773 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:54:16 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:52:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Valdemar Gillanders Subject: Re: [CK] Re: JW on CK Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: esther@eramp.net, MistrsWynd@aol.com, celestial@mLists.net, amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu, kahlanth@rocketmail.com Message-id: <19980929215248.6553.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [152.203.190.207] X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Greetings from Valdemar!! >Kayrana is right. Thantos was knighted outside of his home kingdom. >Believe you me... that was VERY frowned upon. While I don't know what >official action (if any) was taken, I do know that the incident caused >a REALLY big stir in our kingdom. To this day, Thantos' knighthood is >not really recognized by anyone here. Hell, he doesn't even play >anymore that I know of. Now, I don't know this Thantos gentleman but what did he ever do that was so bad that he can't receive the respect he deserves for being a knight? Grant it, he did accept the knighthood under some controversy but he is still a knight and deserves the respect of the populace for attaining that station. He probably doesn't play anymore because of the reactions to him from people like you. I remain, Valdemar Gillanders ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:48 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2DZEIZMXS8ZEMXE@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:16:08 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA32038 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:24:03 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:18:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth C Shannon Subject: Re: Southeastern Events!!!!! In-reply-to: Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu X-Sender: dak@palm To: amtgard-l Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Comments: SAA03728 on palm (hop 0), Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:18:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f > Nov 6th-7th: Harvest Feast II: held right here in Darkwater East, this DOH!!! that owuld be the 7th and 8th!!!! thanks for the fix Todd!!! See ya, Kitirat From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:49 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2DZSIU3748ZFHHD@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:27:25 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA32087 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:36:12 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:35:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Martello Entropy Subject: Re: [CK] Re: JW on CK In-reply-to: <19980929215248.6553.qmail@hotmail.com> Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: Amtgard Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Valdemar Gillanders wrote: > >Kayrana is right. Thantos was knighted outside of his home kingdom. > >Believe you me... that was VERY frowned upon. While I don't know what > >official action (if any) was taken, I do know that the incident caused > >a REALLY big stir in our kingdom. To this day, Thantos' knighthood is > >not really recognized by anyone here. Hell, he doesn't even play > >anymore that I know of. > > Now, I don't know this Thantos gentleman but what did he ever do that > was so bad that he can't receive the respect he deserves for being a > knight? Grant it, he did accept the knighthood under some controversy > but he is still a knight and deserves the respect of the populace for > attaining that station. He probably doesn't play anymore because of the > reactions to him from people like you. Actually, the story is even more twisted than this. At the time of his knighting, Thanatos was not technically a member of any kingdom, as he was a member of the then Independent Duchy of Midnight Sun. Midnight Sun is now part of Emerald Hills, (which makes me very happy, btw. :), but was very much at odds then. Midnight Sun was trying to either: a) get kingdom level status, which was refused due to proximity to EH, or b) get sponsored by some other kingdom. The knighting occured during a political trip to DS. I do actually have some admiration and respect for Thanatos, for all the things he's done for Midnight Sun, but political moderation was certainly not one of his virtues. He once said that he was probably the most hated man in Amtgard, and that this didn't bother him. The political ambitions of Thanatos and his company eventually created a split between them and the rest of the Duchy, which drove most of them from Amtgard. It saddens me, actually, they contributed a great deal to Midnight Sun and Amtgard, and were mostly responsible for there _being_ a Midnight Sun for me to discover several years ago. Unfortunately, they were driven to goals the rest of the Duchy couldn't support. Anyway, I do realize a lot of people hate Thanatos, and I couldn't expect them not to, but he's not actually the Great Evil people make him out to be. He just had no qualms about pissing off lots of people. :) Baron Martello Entropy martello@netcom.com asimpson@utdallas.edu Captain of Crawling Chaos~ http://www.utdallas.edu/~asimpson/amtgard/ Duchy of the Midnight Sun, Kingdom of the Emerald Hills All that you assume about what I write is entirely your fault From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:49 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2E09WLB1S90MR3L@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:40:39 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA32126 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:48:35 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:46:25 -0400 (EDT) From: WillowDRMR@aol.com Subject: Re: NEWBIE QUESTION Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <3107a2c8.36116341@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f a squire is someone who is taken in by a knight to train. you can kiss ass to get the belt or you can ask a knight if you could be their squire. it will be hard work. and you'd want to be it to help you on to becoming a knight. a training process basicly. a page is one who "works" for someone who needs a page. they will tell you what you need to do and all that. however if you are of age you can be a fighting page too. squire willow consort of goldenvale From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:49 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2E0PCJW5S90MFTJ@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:53:06 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA32243 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:04:03 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:02:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlanth Methwyn Subject: Re: [CK] Re: JW on CK Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: esther@eramp.net, MistrsWynd@aol.com, celestial@mLists.net, amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu, kahlanth@rocketmail.com, snippydwarf@hotmail.com Message-id: <19980929230239.14247.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [208.13.191.137] X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f The truth? He tried to change the game by changing the rules. Of course, we all know where this leads. As I *know* Thanatos, and as other here know him, we reserve the right to make judgement on his character for ourselves. After having watched him in this game (yes, I was around when he was a newbie) and how he attempted to subvert the very core of it by altering the rules. In short, Thantos didn't deserve the honor of being a knight. He deliberately brought that title back from DS and waved it in our faces because *we* didn't have to give it to him. He got it elsewhere. That also shows a good reason behind why one should not be able to knight a person from outside their kingdom. Oh yes, Valdemar... Thanatos doesn't play anymore because THE ENTIRE KINGDOM DIDN'T APPRECIATE HIS ATTITUDE AND THE WAY HE HANDLED NOT ONLY HIMSELF, BUT THE SITUATION REVOLVING AROUND HIS RATHER QUESTIONABLE KNIGHTHOOD. Of course, if you knew me personally, like Thanatos did, you'd know that was the case. I assume that your judgement of me is based on my post regarding Thantos (which is a long-dead issue, anyway). You should really ask for more information before jumping to conclusions. Kahl Now, I don't know this Thantos gentleman but what did he ever do that was so bad that he can't receive the respect he deserves for being a knight? Grant it, he did accept the knighthood under some controversy but he is still a knight and deserves the respect of the populace for attaining that station. He probably doesn't play anymore because of the reactions to him from people like you. I remain, Valdemar Gillanders ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:50 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2E15RP6FK90ML4Q@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:06:20 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA32365 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:13:23 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:11:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Valdemar Gillanders Subject: Re: [CK] Re: JW on CK Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: esther@eramp.net, MistrsWynd@aol.com, celestial@mLists.net, amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu, kahlanth@rocketmail.com, kahlanth@hotmail.com Message-id: <19980929231158.18351.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [152.207.254.101] X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Greetings from Valdemar!! >Oh yes, Valdemar... Thanatos doesn't play anymore because THE ENTIRE >KINGDOM DIDN'T APPRECIATE HIS ATTITUDE AND THE WAY HE HANDLED NOT ONLY >HIMSELF, BUT THE SITUATION REVOLVING AROUND HIS RATHER QUESTIONABLE >KNIGHTHOOD. As I said in my post, I do not know the man nor did I make any assumptions about the situation. If you would put aside your anger and not yell at me(indicated by the all caps portion of your letter) you would realize that most of my post was asking about the situation and not passing judgement on the others of your kingdom. I do not feel that my curiosity and interest to learn what actually happened warrants me being yelled at. If you had actually read my post before flying off of the handle and immediately responding in such a rude way, you would realize this. I have no problem admitting my lack of knowledge in certain areas and this was one of them. I'm sorry that I was confused by the fact that with the plethora of saginal brows in Amtgard, I didn't think you had one and would be able to think rationally without immediately yelling about my post and the questions I was asking. I remain, Valdemar Gillanders......going to go cry now....the mean man yelled at me ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:50 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2E15GFWLS8ZE7HT@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:06:05 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA32355 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:13:07 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:21:48 -0600 (CST) From: fionghal@chaosbutterfly.com Subject: The Texas Ren-fest! First weekend! Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: celestial@mLists.net, amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <199809292330.SAA15259@mail1.hic.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 2.6) Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by horus.anth.utep.edu id RAA32353 X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Addressed to: celestial@mLists.net amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu My father and my step mother will be comming into town this weekend and I will be going with them to the Texas Ren-fest in Magnolia on Saturday. (I really didn't want to miss another cool quest at Granyte Spyre, but seeing as he will be leaving Sunday to go home, it has to be Saturday.) Soooo.... I wanted to see if any of my Amtgard Friends would like to go also. You can get tickets at Randalls for $10 a pop for the first weekend only after that they go up to like $17.50 if I remember right. I inquired about discount tickets and the cheepest they would sell me was in 25 ticket lots for $12.95 a peice for the rest of the fair. If anyone wants to go, give me a call or e-mail me. (713)552-0666, or at work at (713)837-7382 Always in service, Dame Fionnghal Nic Phaidin Dancer of the Way... "A tiger at a pass will hold back a thousand head of deer" Sun Tzu - The Art of War http://www.chaosbutterfly.com/penelope (Please send all flames to http://www.chaosbutterfly.com/penelope/hatemail.html) From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:50 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2E3BC5EGW8ZF8SF@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:08:06 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id SAA00103 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:50:12 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:47:25 -0400 (EDT) From: SirBolt@aol.com Subject: Re: [CK] September 1998 B.O.D. Minutes Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f In a message dated 9/29/98 2:19:34 PM Mountain Daylight Time, jelmore@gte.net writes: << But in Amtgard, the populace of a kingdom has the final approval over that Monarch's actions. If a Monarch (or any officer, for that matter) acts in a manner totally inconsistent with or in direct violation of the Corpora/Contract/Rules of Play, it is the populace's right -- actually, their responsibility -- to hold them accountable. That is why the section on removing officers is in the Corpora, after all; to prevent some Monarch or other official from thinking that He Is The Way And The Light and can do no wrong. By letting Father Thomas' alleged violations go without comment, CK affirmed him the right to do so. >> I think someone has the picture......... Bolt From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:50 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2F8G99RCG8ZEDWZ@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:45:42 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA04058 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:36:01 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:27:58 -0700 From: sulkrist@juno.com (Michael E Atreides) Subject: Re: [CK] September 1998 B.O.D. Minutes Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: jelmore@gte.net Cc: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19980930.133714.11127.0.sulkrist@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 Precedence: bulk X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-9,12-13 References: <017a01bdebe6$b880dbe0$0201010a@frontdesk> X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:21:17 -0700 "John Elmore Jr." writes: >-----Original Message----- >From: Thrythlind@aol.com >Subject: Re: [CK] September 1998 B.O.D. Minutes > >. By letting Father Thomas' alleged violations go without >comment, CK affirmed him the right to do so. For this to be true, you must first prove that FT did something which violated the rules. Your use of "alleged" says that you do not know this to be true. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:51 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2E6WQ6YZK8ZFDNV@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:50:52 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id TAA00353 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:51:59 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:50:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Valdemar Gillanders Subject: Re: [CK] The end of the Celestial Kingdom??? Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: celestial@mlists.net, mistresscircadia@juno.com, hibernius@hotmail.com Cc: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19980930015032.29677.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [171.208.136.16] X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Greetings from Valdemar!! >Forgive me all for being an agent provocateur....I think Aramithy wants >to revoke because of all the Franzia jokes...and probably 'cause we >don't like Franzia.. Well, it's not Franzia but the hotel I work for has so much boxed wine we could hold a Claw convention there. Come on by and see me sometime. I can get y'all a great deal on the rooms. I remain, Valdemar Gillanders......woo hoo...a Claw convention :) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:51 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2EDY8XRTS8ZEFHQ@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 01:12:54 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id AAA01625 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:05:33 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 02:09:02 +0000 From: Todd Williams Subject: Re: [CK] September 1998 B.O.D. Minutes Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Reply-to: editor@icsc.net Message-id: <361192BD.AA91B1D5@icsc.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk References: <95b4a8c9.361064b0@aol.com> <19980929.182325.10783.1.sulkrist@juno.com> X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Michael E Atreides wrote: > On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:40:16 EDT SkeevenMac@aol.com writes: > > >Even the USA which most of us get to play this wonderful game on has > that exact law. No one may accept a title from another land. > > Tell that to Norman Schwarzkopf, a Knight of the Order of Bath. An American may be Knighted/Given awards by a foreign country (Like the Awards France gave out in WW I and II to Americans serving in French forces before 1940 and Americans that have been knighted by the various monarchies of the world) but they were never recognized in the U.S. by the government. Recently, the thousands of servicemen/women who went to the Gulf received various honors from Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, but they are not recognized by our government. While one could argue that one could be viewed as a knight in one kingdom, they may not be viewed as one in another because they have not been knighted in that kingdom. Groups may even set up treaties of peerage that recognize knighthood across kingdom lines, but all of this is too complex for out needs. If you wish to knight someone in a foreign group, request it of his/her Monarch. Respect that Monarch's decision. Just my 1.58 billion Lira's worth Ahriman ibn Ahrim alSilverwater From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:51 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2EEIMRR8W90LNH8@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 01:28:33 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id AAA01700 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:23:11 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 02:26:42 +0000 From: Todd Williams Subject: Re: Southeastern Events!!!!! Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l Reply-to: editor@icsc.net Message-id: <361196DF.8F3F3238@icsc.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; U; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk References: X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f If all of the groups in the Southeastern U.S. wish to send me dates and information on their upcoming schedule's, I will include it in a calendar page I maintain at: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/1279/cal.html In service to all U Sayid Ahriman ibn Ahrim alSilverwater Duchy of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:51 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2E80XJ7AO8ZF8A5@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:22:29 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id VAA00672 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:02:24 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:35:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Thrythlind@aol.com Subject: Re: [CK] The end of the Celestial Kingdom??? Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: hibernius@hotmail.com, celestial@mLists.net, mistresscircadia@juno.com Cc: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f In a message dated 9/29/98 8:51:40 PM Central Daylight Time, hibernius@hotmail.com writes: > Corum (call me asshole) Mcconnaught > > PS.guess you thought I left didn't ya???...CK!!!! Frankly, and I only put this public because otherwise we're going to be deluged in these, this is the kind of thing I said should be made in private e-mail. He makes a point, even if it has been made already and was accompanied by a great deal of unnecessary ranting and insults. Master Thrythlind Hardwulf of the CK From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:52 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2E4XGECXC90M1GZ@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:54:10 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id TAA00289 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:35:38 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:44:16 -0600 (CST) From: fionghal@chaosbutterfly.com Subject: Re: The Texas Ren-fest! First weekend! Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: Wetlands List Reply-to: fionghal@chaosbutterfly.com Message-id: <199809300153.UAA15581@mail1.hic.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 2.6) Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by horus.anth.utep.edu id TAA00287 X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f ** Reply to note from fionghal@chaosbutterfly.com Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:21:48 CST > My father and my step mother will be comming into town this weekend and I will be going > with them to the Texas Ren-fest in Magnolia on Saturday. (I really didn't want to miss another > cool quest at Granyte Spyre, but seeing as he will be leaving Sunday to go home, it has to be > Saturday.) > Soooo.... I wanted to see if any of my Amtgard Friends would like to go also. You can get > tickets at Randalls for $10 a pop for the first weekend only after that they go up to like $17.50 > if I remember right. I inquired about discount tickets and the cheepest they would sell me was > in 25 ticket lots for $12.95 a peice for the rest of the fair. > > If anyone wants to go, give me a call or e-mail me. > > (713)552-0666, or at work at (713)837-7382 Minor correction... I just got back from Randalls and the tickets are $11.95 and not $10 like I thought. Hope to see ya there.. Always in service, Fionnghal Nic Phaidin Dancer of the Way... "A tiger at a pass will hold back a thousand head of deer" Sun Tzu - The Art of War http://www.chaosbutterfly.com/penelope (Please send all flames to http://www.chaosbutterfly.com/penelope/hatemail.html) From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:52 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2E6UD0CPS90CRDZ@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:48:57 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id TAA00401 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:56:53 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:59:20 -0600 (CST) From: fionghal@chaosbutterfly.com Subject: American Knights... Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: sulkrist@juno.com (Michael E Atreides), amtgard-l@amtgard.com Reply-to: fionghal@chaosbutterfly.com Message-id: <199809300208.VAA15614@mail1.hic.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 2.6) Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by horus.anth.utep.edu id TAA00399 X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Addressed to: sulkrist@juno.com (Michael E Atreides) amtgard-l@amtgard.com ** Reply to note from sulkrist@juno.com (Michael E Atreides) Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:41:33 -0700 > >Even the USA which most of us get to play this wonderful game on has > that exact law. No one may accept a title from another land. > > Tell that to Norman Schwarzkopf, a Knight of the Order of Bath. And to Ronald Reagan... I remember the Queen of England giveing him a knighthood of some sorts. They didn't actually go through the ceramony but I have seen a picture of her handing him the metal to wear. If I remember right, she kind of made it an award and not really a "title" per se. Like the metal of Honor or something. That law you are talking about is in the United States Constitution. I guess they really didn't like Mother England and her habits all that much when they were drafting that. They wanted to take out the idea of Nobility completely from this country. If I remember right, before the revolution, George Washington was also known as Lord Potomic. Always in service, Dame Fionnghal Nic Phaidin Dancer of the Way... "A tiger at a pass will hold back a thousand head of deer" Sun Tzu - The Art of War http://www.chaosbutterfly.com/penelope (Please send all flames to http://www.chaosbutterfly.com/penelope/hatemail.html) From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:52 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2E9PC7NBK8ZF9TJ@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:11:11 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id VAA00735 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:18:19 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:18:16 -0500 From: Augustus Stern Subject: CK Dissolution Jamboree Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: New CK List , amtgard-l@amtgard.com Reply-to: abenton@texas.net Message-id: <3611A221.47BD@texas.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-FlashNet (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f OK, people, take a deeeeeeep breath. I can't help but wonder if this is really about knights and rules and intransigent monarchs. I don't know the details, but there is something about all this that smacks me as personal. Does King Sir Aramithris bear a grudge against some person or persons here in the CK, and seeing the perfect opportunity to fulfill it, he pursues this dissolution course? Please accept my question about grudges as an honest one, and not merely more of the rhetorical bullshit and pseudo-legal sophistry. There is enough grandstanding and posturing as is. If there is some sort of breach of contract, take it up with the persons involved. Rules are rules, but puh-leez, enough with the quoting of the corpora as though they were Holy Writ. If you want the CK to deep-six, just say so. If you don't, then stop taking such obvious glee in quoting the rules and corpora to us. It is beneath everyone's dignity. On the other hand, I don't personally give a rat's ass about the particular incident that triggered this. I am plainly biased towards the CK and its horde of knights, as well as being a newbie. On the third hand, here are some ideas for you, King Sir Aramithris: A) If you just want to destroy the CK, just say so, openly, and get on with it. Quit acting like you regret it. B) If you want to correct the problem and are not hoping to destroy the CK, then quit the pious gestures and heavy sighs about "last resort" and such. Just stop talking about dissolution. Fix the problem with a minimum of theatrics. Just figure out what the rule needs to be and set the damned thing. Set a rule saying what the acceptable number of knights is for a kingdom. If you can't set a hard number, don't bitch about too many or too few. As crusty old Heinlein says, "If you can't express it with numbers, it's an opinion". Either way, do it and be done with it. There, now I feel so much better with that out of my system. No, I don't. Sincerely, Brother Yamamoto Kansuke -Usurper Boorish Poet Laureate of the Celestial Kingdom -Hatamoto of Regiment 1, Army of the Celestial Kingdom -Spearweasel of House Darkjester -Member of The Brotherhood -AAPG Guild Coordinator -- http://lonestar.texas.net/~abenton email: abenton@texas.net "Nothing in the world is funnier than a monkey with a banjo. Except maybe two monkeys with banjos" -Mahatma Gandhi From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:52 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2EAIH4OHS8ZFDPV@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:33:53 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id VAA00859 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:45:08 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:45:09 -0500 From: Augustus Stern Subject: Chariots of Fire Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: New CK List , amtgard-l@amtgard.com Reply-to: abenton@texas.net Message-id: <3611A945.20A@texas.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-FlashNet (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Now here is a stupid idea for you, the Chariot in Amtgard. Two people, the driver and the passenger. The driver decides where to go, and is protected by three points of non-sectional armor. While travelling, he must yell "Yah!" or something like that, and is immune to melee attacks (he's in a chariot after all). The passenger must stay with four feet (or so), but can do things while running that normally require standing still, like spells. He is also protected by 3pts of armor. The passenger is also immune to melee attacks, unless they are stopped. Or maybe not. I dunno. Both driver and passenger have to wear some special garb, like a Charioteer's Hat, or maybe a box on their waist... I just think a chariot team would make an interesting monster, or a complication on the battlefield. Obviously this idea needs refinement, so lets all take a break from Knight Thread from hell and play Amtgard, shall we? Brother Yamamoto Kansuke -Usurper Boorish Poet Laureate of the Celestial Kingdom -Hatamoto of Regiment 1, Army of the Celestial Kingdom -Spearweasel of House Darkjester -Member of The Brotherhood -AAPG Guild Coordinator -- http://lonestar.texas.net/~abenton email: abenton@texas.net "Nothing in the world is funnier than a monkey with a banjo. Except maybe two monkeys with banjos" -Mahatma Gandhi From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:53 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2EBC6TZ408ZFRUC@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:57:51 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id WAA01032 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:31:56 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:24:53 -0500 From: Bag'em Subject: Re: [CK] September 1998 B.O.D. Minutes a few points Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <3611B295.F283F804@arn.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk References: <3.0.2.32.19980929005535.0074ac18@southwestern.edu> X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f > Point one HE WAS NOT OUT OF KINGDOM!!!!!!!! he was at the time he was > knighted a member of the CK......the corpora is ambiguous on the must be a > memebr of the kingdom for six months....which he had just not the six > months prior techinically however his records were never really moved to > GP...... Hmmm, then I guess the last two owls I granted him and the last two dragons I granted him and His masterhood in both would then be null and void. And if his records were never technically transferred here, then why was he running for Kingdom Champion here? The point is simply this. You should not be able to transfer your records from one Kingdom to another because one Kingdom didn't Knight you when you got your masterhoods. The fact is that he was a part of a freehold and transferring his records back to CK was a way to get in through the backdoor since the group he belonged to at the time was not an official part of CK. Bagem From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:53 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2EBDY321C8ZF4YJ@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:59:16 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id WAA01064 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:34:27 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:32:39 -0400 (EDT) From: IamTopKnot@aol.com Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Squires & such Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <3082a226.3611b467@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f << I have a question and would apreciate any helpful response. What exactly is a squire? Why would you want to be a squire? How do you become a squire? P.S. Also what is a page? >> Bear in mind, this is simply my interpretation of the whole shebang... I don't see squires to knights as a parasitic relationship, which I have witnessed in some instances. Meaning, the squire reaps the benefits of name association w/ a certain knight & wears a red belt, & their knight pushes for them to receive a belt eventually. I see it as a mutual learning relationship. After a year of pondering the choices, possibilities, etc. I named my squire at Olympiad - Cap'n Black of Stormwall. It's very much a mutually beneficial relationship. He's in the same "track" as me - meaning he's a FABULOUS diplomat. He is well on his way to being what I consider a true Crown Knight: someone who represents their kingdom and their chapter on the local as well as the nationwide and even worldwide scope. But also, he does things VERY well that I would like to learn. He's a master at leatherworking and I plan to learn all I can from him. He's NOT the only one who will benefit from the relationship. As for pages, I view pages as people who are my friends and help me do whatever needs doing w/out any burning desire for recognition or limelight, much like my family members. In fact, ALL of my pages are members of my "family." They are all young girls, as well, who looked for some sort of guidance & were already helping me do all the things I did. I chose to bestow the "honorary" title of "Page" on them. It was not a thing they asked for, but they gladly accepted. Lots of folks were shocked that I didn't automatically "upgrade" my 3 pages to Squire status upon receiving my belt. Truth of the matter was, they are far more capable of giving the level of service they do as pages. A red belt wouldn't alter that service one bit. Just this person's thoughts. Hope I answered a few questions. Topknot From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:53 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2EBF0W6JK8ZFKS8@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:00:09 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id WAA01129 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:37:19 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:34:26 -0600 From: "Korderellin B. von D." Subject: Re: CK bottom line Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: Allydor@aol.com Cc: aramith@thoth.anth.utep.edu, Esther_Strohmeyer@baylor.edu, matt@civicpride.com, Claw-l@amtgard.com, claw-l@horus.anth.utep.edu, amtgard-l@amtgard.com, celestial@mlists.net, glions@amtgard.com, IRONMTN-L@LIST.IEX.NET, EH-list@flail.com, inlandocean-l@jon.lightrealm.com, mystic@aracnet.com, VSR-l@listbox.com, wetlands-l@thewetlands.org Message-id: <3611B4D2.AD8AD7B1@holly.colostate.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk References: X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f > I think it is amazing the club is as stable as it is, with all the > creatures plucking and tearing at it. And yet it seems that the creature who is doing the most harm to the most people is the hypocrite who wrote the letter. > And frankly, Alessandra, I think maybe I should withdraw my consideration > for you on BOD. Please think and study next time before you speak, you > are a knight I honor for your past, do not shame me before all these > carpetbaggers by being a fool. *clasping his hands to his face in mock horror* Oh, no!!! She's being removed from consideration because she didn't agree with Aramithris!!! How can this be? So are you saying that a person is not good enough to be able to make decisions on Amtgard based on their ability to actually have an individual thought? Are you so haughty that you believe anyone who disagrees with you is unfit to benefit the dream? Is this how you honestly think of the people of Amtgard, Aramithris? Are we really that contemptuous to you? Carpetbaggers? You sadden me, Aramithris. It pains me to see someone who cares so much for this dream turn and destroy it because of his prejudices and irrational thoughts. That a person in your position can be so hypocritical, and have such little feeling for those who have supported him. Many times have I heard hurtful words from Aramithris. Many times have I seen him, in a very rash manner, hurt even those who he supposedly holds dear. And yet, never once have I seen an apology for his behavior. This man who thinks himself infallible, who feels so easily betrayed by his friends, and yet he betrays them at a moments whim, shunning them for their ideas in as hurtful a manner as I can imagine. For those of you who are going to feel the need to flame me for this: I pity you. I feel sorry for either your greed and need to feel accepted by this man, or for your misguidedness in thinking this man actually is a benevolent ruler. But the group that I feel the most sorry for is Amtgard. I pity the dream. That such a Megalomaniacal person holds so much sway over the game. This group involves so many people, from so many different backgrounds. And yet an entire Kingdom is being threatened with dissolution by the whims of one tyrannical person. Granted, it also requires the vote of the other individuals on the Board of Directors. And yet, the only one who voices his opinion is the great Aramithris. The others are silent. Perhaps they have the sense to realize that logic is a useful attribute when discussing this sort of thing. Or perhaps they all share Aramithris' opinion, and so none of them see the need to voice it. I must say, I am kind of curious to hear the opinions of the others on the BOD. Perhaps I'm wrong, and it is actually a committee rule. I invite someone from the BOD to prove me wrong here. Do you make your own choices? I pose another question. The point of a democratic sort of rule is to try and do that which is best for the society as a whole. Do you honestly believe that the dissolution of the Celestial Kingdom will improve the quality of the game for everyone? And do you believe that having someone with a differing opinion will again harm the game itself? Or is it your fear that perhaps you'd lose the firm grip of control you have over the game that is fueling your decisions? Allydor@aol.com wrote: > Sorry my mistake...we weren't considered a kingdom but had a coronation > ....does that mean the woman who knighted me had no right to? Then should I > not drop my serpent belt? My belt should have been objected to as Nevrons. > We had no contract while I was Princess/acting Monarch and then > Monarch...therefore the crown Tawnee put upon my brow meant nothing and the > crown belt I received for a year in office meant nothing...should I not drop > my crown belt? That is me being legal and not a fool....since exceptions are > not allowed...mistakes are not allowed....you can not have both ways if we can > not. My King I await your decisions.....do all the belts given before we were > legal status mean nothing? They shouldn't if we were not legally able to give > them...then we are not knights...well at least myself and Reyna are not...and > the 2 I knighted in the year I was in office. So your Majesty....this fool > asks that you withdraw her name from the BOD nomination because I can tell you > right now....I will stand up for what I believe is right whether it agrees > with your opinion or not. > Oh and I thought Reyna knighted Nevron Sword and M'deth did Delphos Service > for bringing Amtgard to Dallas. This happened at my first Clan which was in > '88 at the waterfall and Barad Duin had not been kicked out yet! Not until > after Nithanalorns coronation which I was monarch then so it was in > '89....well not legally monarch... Wait! Do my eyes deceive me? Did the almighty Aramithris make a mistake? So it would seem from this as well as many of the other posts. Yes, Aramithris. People make mistakes. Even if Allesandra had been mistaken about the time periods, mistakes happen. As you have plainly shown us right now. The infallibility has been proven false after all. And yet, I really doubt that an apology will be offered. Or that the mistake will be acknowledged. As to do that would be to say, "Yes. I was wrong." So again, I ask the BOD to speak up. Otherwise, I must admit this is the first thing I can say that I am ashamed of for being a part of this dream. And that is that it is run as a tyranny by a man more childish and insensitive than anyone I have ever encountered before. And it is a sad day when I say I am ashamed of Amtgard. Korderellin Blackhand von Darkjester From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:54 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2EBLC1B8W8ZEE7S@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:05:13 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id WAA01196 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:54:17 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:45:18 -0500 From: Jessica Subject: Olympiad n' Stuff Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu X-Sender: syriana1@popd.ix.netcom.com To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Cc: eh-list@flail.com Message-id: <3.0.6.32.19980929234518.007d3750@popd.ix.netcom.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Ok....so here's my basic review of what you guys that didn't go to Olympiad missed out on. 10. Bugs. 9. Bugs. 8. Mosquitos the size of a Rogue Ego ;) 7. Bugs. 6. Bugs. 5. Did I mention bugs? I'd do the entire top ten, but I bailed Saturday afternoon when they started to bite me through all three layers of clothing. I guess it should have clued me in when they swam in the wax of the citronella candle we were burning. Still, it was an interesting event for when I was there. I saw a whole lotta Rogues (there was extra space on the ditch field set aside for their swelled heads ), even more mosquitos, oh, and watched a good friend of mine, Blank, do some major butt whoopin in a tourney. You did GREAT! (Yay Mourningwood Glen!) I promise to look more excited next time, honest. Oh, and thanks to PapaJew who tied my bracelet on me because I was too stupid to figure out how it went--I guess i needed the childproof one ;) Still, i'll be looking forward to the next Wetlands event (as long as the bugs are promising not to attend) for more ditching, bitching, and the usual smak-talking. Nothin' but love, Syri the Shield Bashin', Smak-Talkin' Scrub Chick. PS--This thread is probably late, but I just finished sorting about 300 emails or so from the past two days. Forgive me? ;) *~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* Jessica Hillman / Syriana Sorca Prude Chick of the E.H.M See my oh-so outdated webpage at http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/7159 *~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:54 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2EBV47QZ48ZF9GU@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:13:06 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id XAA01367 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:09:03 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 01:01:13 -0400 From: mordru@flite.net (Andrew A. Apold) Subject: Re: [CK] September 1998 B.O.D. Minutes Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu X-Sender: mordru@flite.net To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <199809300501.BAA22615@in.flite.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by horus.anth.utep.edu id XAA01365 X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f >Tell that to Norman Schwarzkopf, a Knight of the Order of Bath. IIRC only citizens of the United Kingdom are supposed to adress him with that. ============================= "All praise, he's found the awful truth, Balthazar... He's found the saucer news!" - E.T.I. by Blue Öyster Cult -AAA From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:54 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2EDIEEGQ88ZE9HG@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 01:00:07 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id XAA01532 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:55:27 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:56:05 -0700 From: jennifer nogle Subject: Re: CK bottom line Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: "Korderellin B. von D." Cc: Allydor@aol.com, aramith@thoth.anth.utep.edu, Esther_Strohmeyer@baylor.edu, matt@civicpride.com, Claw-l@amtgard.com, claw-l@horus.anth.utep.edu, amtgard-l@amtgard.com, celestial@mlists.net, glions@amtgard.com, IRONMTN-L@LIST.IEX.NET, EH-list@flail.com, inlandocean-l@jon.lightrealm.com, mystic@aracnet.com, VSR-l@listbox.com, wetlands-l@thewetlands.org Message-id: <3611C7F5.DF538DDA@uswest.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: fixup-amtgard-l@amtgard.com@fixme References: <3611B4D2.AD8AD7B1@holly.colostate.edu> X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Well said! Korderellin B. von D. wrote: > > I think it is amazing the club is as stable as it is, with all the > > creatures plucking and tearing at it. > > And yet it seems that the creature who is doing the most harm to the most people > is the hypocrite who wrote the letter. > > > And frankly, Alessandra, I think maybe I should withdraw my consideration > > for you on BOD. Please think and study next time before you speak, you > > are a knight I honor for your past, do not shame me before all these > > carpetbaggers by being a fool. > > *clasping his hands to his face in mock horror* Oh, no!!! She's being removed > from consideration because she didn't agree with Aramithris!!! How can this be? > So are you saying that a person is not good enough to be able to make decisions on > Amtgard based on their ability to actually have an individual thought? Are you so > haughty that you believe anyone who disagrees with you is unfit to benefit the > dream? > > Is this how you honestly think of the people of Amtgard, Aramithris? Are we > really that contemptuous to you? Carpetbaggers? > > You sadden me, Aramithris. It pains me to see someone who cares so much for this > dream turn and destroy it because of his prejudices and irrational thoughts. That > a person in your position can be so hypocritical, and have such little feeling for > those who have supported him. > > Many times have I heard hurtful words from Aramithris. Many times have I seen > him, in a very rash manner, hurt even those who he supposedly holds dear. And > yet, never once have I seen an apology for his behavior. This man who thinks > himself infallible, who feels so easily betrayed by his friends, and yet he > betrays them at a moments whim, shunning them for their ideas in as hurtful a > manner as I can imagine. > > For those of you who are going to feel the need to flame me for this: I pity > you. I feel sorry for either your greed and need to feel accepted by this man, or > for your misguidedness in thinking this man actually is a benevolent ruler. > > But the group that I feel the most sorry for is Amtgard. I pity the dream. That > such a Megalomaniacal person holds so much sway over the game. This group > involves so many people, from so many different backgrounds. And yet an entire > Kingdom is being threatened with dissolution by the whims of one tyrannical > person. Granted, it also requires the vote of the other individuals on the Board > of Directors. And yet, the only one who voices his opinion is the great > Aramithris. The others are silent. Perhaps they have the sense to realize that > logic is a useful attribute when discussing this sort of thing. Or perhaps they > all share Aramithris' opinion, and so none of them see the need to voice it. > I must say, I am kind of curious to hear the opinions of the others on the BOD. > Perhaps I'm wrong, and it is actually a committee rule. I invite someone from the > BOD to prove me wrong here. Do you make your own choices? > > I pose another question. The point of a democratic sort of rule is to try and do > that which is best for the society as a whole. Do you honestly believe that the > dissolution of the Celestial Kingdom will improve the quality of the game for > everyone? And do you believe that having someone with a differing opinion will > again harm the game itself? Or is it your fear that perhaps you'd lose the firm > grip of control you have over the game that is fueling your decisions? > > Allydor@aol.com wrote: > > > Sorry my mistake...we weren't considered a kingdom but had a coronation > > ....does that mean the woman who knighted me had no right to? Then should I > > not drop my serpent belt? My belt should have been objected to as Nevrons. > > We had no contract while I was Princess/acting Monarch and then > > Monarch...therefore the crown Tawnee put upon my brow meant nothing and the > > crown belt I received for a year in office meant nothing...should I not drop > > my crown belt? That is me being legal and not a fool....since exceptions are > > not allowed...mistakes are not allowed....you can not have both ways if we can > > not. My King I await your decisions.....do all the belts given before we were > > legal status mean nothing? They shouldn't if we were not legally able to give > > them...then we are not knights...well at least myself and Reyna are not...and > > the 2 I knighted in the year I was in office. So your Majesty....this fool > > asks that you withdraw her name from the BOD nomination because I can tell you > > right now....I will stand up for what I believe is right whether it agrees > > with your opinion or not. > > > Oh and I thought Reyna knighted Nevron Sword and M'deth did Delphos Service > > for bringing Amtgard to Dallas. This happened at my first Clan which was in > > '88 at the waterfall and Barad Duin had not been kicked out yet! Not until > > after Nithanalorns coronation which I was monarch then so it was in > > '89....well not legally monarch... > > Wait! Do my eyes deceive me? Did the almighty Aramithris make a mistake? So it > would seem from this as well as many of the other posts. > > Yes, Aramithris. People make mistakes. Even if Allesandra had been mistaken > about the time periods, mistakes happen. As you have plainly shown us right now. > The infallibility has been proven false after all. And yet, I really doubt that > an apology will be offered. Or that the mistake will be acknowledged. As to do > that would be to say, "Yes. I was wrong." > > So again, I ask the BOD to speak up. Otherwise, I must admit this is the first > thing I can say that I am ashamed of for being a part of this dream. And that is > that it is run as a tyranny by a man more childish and insensitive than anyone I > have ever encountered before. And it is a sad day when I say I am ashamed of > Amtgard. > > Korderellin Blackhand von Darkjester From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:55 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2EH4NCUCW8ZEGLT@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 02:43:34 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id BAA01880 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 01:38:53 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 02:41:25 -0500 From: "Joachim H. Zwick" Subject: Re: Olympiad Results! Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: wetlands-l@thewetlands.org, amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <3611E0A5.FF84532F@dnut.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk References: <3.0.5.32.19980929163933.0083f820@pinkpig.com> X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f I certainly must say that "this guy" is well-flattered by such compliments. I would like to thank Scarhart for literally dragging me into Amtgard. Olympiad was my second outing ever, which would explain the "total newbie" tag, and I thoroughly enjoyed the cultural competitions as well as the informal bardics - the 5 a.m. drum session on Friday night/Saturday morning (I think it actually kept the skeeters away for a while) and Saturday night/Sunday morning's session in the stands. My compliments to the talents of both Sir Cabal and Scarhart in instigating and performing during those. (I later heard rumors of an off switch for our favorite male belly dancer - if anyone can give me the specifics of that, please send mail - just kidding, Valdemar. ;0) It was a pleasure to be treated to the efforts of everyone who participated in both the formal and informal gatherings. Hey, uh, Forest? You really bring out the worst, err... best in my joke material ;-) Congratulations to you and all the other winners. Such footsteps to follow in, however... ;-) Given the creative and earnest group I had the pleasure of meeting, I'm sure that I'll lots of future fun. Err..I meant guidance. Now I just have to learn how to 1) fight and 2) catch up on the politics. Ok, ok - forget #2 - I work too much. I'll just watch the puppet shows from now on - great job there. Sadly, my only beef with the entire experience was that, as always, there was a problem with my name. Conveniently for me, it is both my persona and mundane appendage. Here's the dope: Joachim Here is the correct pronunciation Joe - uh - kim (accent on the first syllable - just imagine that you can't remember what to call me and it'll sound pretty close). And if you can't get that right, just remember how Lucas put it: "Scarheart and Friend" Of course, then again, I do believe it's supposed to be Scarhart... but the thought is, again, much, if perhaps a little sensitively, appreciated. Anyway, what this really boils down to is thanks for the welcome! > Joakim (also a total newbie) had the highest average score of > 4.51 over his 3 bardic entries. This is the guy who played the > Violin with Scarhart on the Mandolin. Of whom Luc commented "Wow, > real tallent in Amtgard!" > > The highest scoring peice was: Scarhart singing "Shield Wall" > (4.60, 1st in Singing) -- _________________________________________________________________________ "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation." A copy can be found at: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/47/227.html _________________________________________________________________________ From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:55 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2EOW7SHGG90M1O2@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 06:25:50 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id FAA02209 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 05:12:46 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 04:11:43 -0700 (PDT) From: K'tai bin R'al Subject: Re: CK bottom line In-reply-to: Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: Amtgard Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 Allydor@aol.com wrote: > And does not writing consider thought your Majesty? Be it muddled or clear? > So I must have thought some before writing yes? To err is to be human is that > how the saying goes? And so I have shamed you? Well I'm sorry I see no shame > for being outraged that you will not let people learn by their mistakes Please don't be too angry, m'lady. He simply forgot to mention an unwritten rule that says anyone on the BOD has to score a 75 or better on the Amtgard Obscure Trivia Test. ;) Lady K'tai bin R'al, Sister of the Open Heart Guildmistress of Healers, Midnight Sun and Emerald Hills Female Superior of Crawling Chaos~ Jesus' little Amazon half-sister From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:55 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2EQQOREVK8ZGC90@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:18:38 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id GAA02335 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 06:09:01 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:06:49 -0400 (EDT) From: IamTopKnot@aol.com Subject: Re: Olympiad Results! Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: wetlands-l@thewetlands.org, amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <6cbfc16c.36121ed9@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f In a message dated 98-09-30 03:38:35 EDT, jzwick@dnut.com writes: << I certainly must say that "this guy" is well-flattered by such compliments. >> MORE than well-deserved! I could kick back for hours listening to you and Scarhart perform! That's entertainment! Topknot From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:56 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2ETCLZRV490G8SW@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:33:35 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id HAA02580 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:26:37 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:24:47 -0400 (EDT) From: SirBolt@aol.com Subject: Re: [CK] September 1998 B.O.D. Minutes a few points Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <78985a13.3612311f@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f In a message dated 9/30/98 2:22:14 AM Mountain Daylight Time, hiltonii@arn.net writes: << Hmmm, then I guess the last two owls I granted him and the last two dragons I granted him and His masterhood in both would then be null and void. And if his records were never technically transferred here, then why was he running for Kingdom Champion here? The point is simply this. You should not be able to transfer your records from one Kingdom to another because one Kingdom didn't Knight you when you got your masterhoods. The fact is that he was a part of a freehold and transferring his records back to CK was a way to get in through the backdoor since the group he belonged to at the time was not an official part of CK. Bagem >> Thank you, Sir Bag'em!!!!! Sir Bolt From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:56 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2EVBBJLTS8ZFT75@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:29:50 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id IAA02726 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:19:27 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:52:00 -0600 (MDT) From: JAEDEN DRACUL Subject: Re: [Olympiad n' Stuff] Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Cc: wetlands-l@thewetlands.org Message-id: <19980930135200.23070.qmail@www0n.netaddress.usa.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu wrote: >>Ok....so here's my basic review of what you guys that didn't go to >>Olympiad >>missed out on. >>10. Bugs. >>9. Bugs. >>8. Mosquitos the size of a Rogue Ego ;) >>7. Bugs. >>6. Bugs. >>5. Did I mention bugs? 4. Sloughen' ho bugs 3. Mosquitos that go through leather 2. A little girl who kept telling everyone they couldn't seduce her 1. The coolest part: two new knights that I like. Sir/Dam(n)e Fionnghal Nic Phaiden and Sir Slydder Rahbet >>I'd do the entire top ten, but I bailed Saturday afternoon when they >>started to bite me through all three layers of clothing. I guess it >>should >>have clued me in when they swam in the wax of the citronella candle we >>were >>burning No kidding, I got it THROUGH my baseball knee pads and through a lawn chair. Bobar hit one with his sword, it veered toward the ground, then flew off. Damn sloughers :) Still, i'll be looking forward to the next Wetlands event (as long as the bugs are promising not to attend) for more ditching, bitching, and the usual smak-talking. Nothin' but love, Syri the Shield Bashin', Smak-Talkin' Scrub Chick. PS--This thread is probably late, but I just finished sorting about 300 emails or so from the past two days. Forgive me? ;) *~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* Jessica Hillman / Syriana Sorca Prude Chick of the E.H.M See my oh-so outdated webpage at http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/7159 *~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:56 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2EV668SM88ZFCZ4@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:25:43 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id IAA02722 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:19:21 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:18:08 -0700 (PDT) From: K'tai bin R'al Subject: Re: Since I know a BLBOD meeting is imminent... In-reply-to: Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: Sir Ivar Nefarious Cc: Amtgard Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Sir Ivar Nefarious wrote: > You may have notice that I made sure that people from all over Amtgard had > a hand in the making of the monster rules. Thanks for showing me that > it really didn't count for dick. Excuse me? The main thrust of my post was asking whether or not I could do something with the manual that as far as I know hasn't been done yet, and I think people could use IN GDF ADDITION TO the existing Dor. And since this isn't a replacement, nor is it ever intended to be, nor would anyone be happy with it as such because the same things will get said over and over that are just said once in the formal Dor, I went ahead and made the same changes that I would make if I were copying a passage out of the Dor for my own personal use in a Quest. If this is the attitude the BL takes towards attempts to make other useful supplements to the game, I'm fscking amazed that a beginner's manual was ever allowed to be created in the first place. Lady K'tai bin R'al, Sister of the Open Heart Guildmistress of Healers, Midnight Sun and Emerald Hills Female Superior of Crawling Chaos~ Jesus' little Amazon half-sister From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:56 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2EVCW319C8ZEXN0@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:31:05 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id IAA02756 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:24:17 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:20:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Andralaine@aol.com Subject: Re: [CK] September 1998 B.O.D. Minutes Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: sulkrist@juno.com, SkeevenMac@aol.com Cc: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <5b2686fc.36123e2a@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f In a message dated 9/29/98 7:25:07 PM Mountain Daylight Time, sulkrist@juno.com writes: << >Even the USA which most of us get to play this wonderful game on has that exact law. No one may accept a title from another land. Tell that to Norman Schwarzkopf, a Knight of the Order of Bath. >> Yes he was knighted.......but in England's so called Copora, anyone knighted who is not English may NOT use the title SIR before there name in anything written. From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:56 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2EX02TZO08ZFXUJ@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:18:04 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id JAA03032 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:07:06 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:29:30 -0700 (PDT) From: K'tai bin R'al Subject: Fashion Update! Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: Amtgard Mailing List Cc: EH Mailing List Reply-to: K'tai bin R'al Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f One of my co-workers just got in a catalog for Chadwick's of Boston, and one of the things that got my attention was a pair of suede boots for $29. They are pretty simply designed; high, more-or-less straight leg, buckle strap over the ankle, and a flat heel. I guess if they had a little bit of a heel, they'd be like motorcycle boots. I don't know how they'd hold up in combat, but I for one feel ashamed of myself when I wear tennis shoes to Court, and these look pretty good, especially for the price. They're available in black, hunter green, and taupe, ladies' whole and half sizes 6-10. (I think that equates to 4-8 men's, but it's been a long time since I bought men's shoes. =) The catalog number is E7813. Chadwick's of Boston can be reached by phone at 1-800-525-6650, or by fax at 1-800-448-5767. Mail-in orders can be sent to P.O. Box 1600, Taunton, MA 02780-0975. Shipping and sales tax are a factor, so you'd probably want to call and have them do the math for you. Lady K'tai bin R'al, Sister of the Open Heart Guildmistress of Healers, Midnight Sun and Emerald Hills Female Superior of Crawling Chaos~ Jesus' little Amazon half-sister From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:57 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2EVVMLSSW8ZFDJK@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:46:14 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id IAA02872 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:32:38 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:31:32 -0700 (PDT) From: K'tai bin R'al Subject: Apologies Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: Amtgard Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f I believe I may have publicly posted a reply to a private email. It was not intentional and any future responses will be kept private where they belong. Please accept my apologies for having to subject you to that piece of rage-mail, and subsequently this one. Lady K'tai bin R'al, Sister of the Open Heart Guildmistress of Healers, Midnight Sun and Emerald Hills Female Superior of Crawling Chaos~ Jesus' little Amazon half-sister From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:57 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2EWGDIPW08ZF7E8@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:02:08 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id IAA02927 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:43:12 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:41:58 -0600 (MDT) From: JAEDEN DRACUL Subject: Re: [Chariots of Fire] Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Cc: wetlands-l@thewetlands.org Message-id: <19980930144158.7891.qmail@www0k.netaddress.usa.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu wrote: Now here is a stupid idea for you, the Chariot in Amtgard. Two people, the driver and the passenger. The driver decides where to go, and is protected by three points of non-sectional armor. While travelling, he must yell "Yah!" or something like that, and is immune to melee attacks (he's in a chariot after all). The passenger must stay with four feet (or so), but can do things while running that normally require standing still, like spells. He is also protected by 3pts of armor. The passenger is also immune to melee attacks, unless they are stopped. Or maybe not. I dunno. Both driver and passenger have to wear some special garb, like a Charioteer's Hat, or maybe a box on their waist... I just think a chariot team would make an interesting monster, or a complication on the battlefield. Obviously this idea needs refinement, so lets all take a break from Knight Thread from hell and play Amtgard, shall we? Brother Yamamoto Kansuke We had a chariot in Mordengard during the tarot quest. It was four people and a battering ram(white weapon). Killed it as normal siege, then you had it's drivers to fight, four first level warriors. Semper Servus, Jaeden Dracul Ben-Israel of Ironwolf ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:57 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2EXUF0ZEO8ZF1YD@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:42:29 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id JAA03118 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:32:13 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:29:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Andralaine@aol.com Subject: Re: Fashion Update! Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: martello@netcom.com, amtgard-l@amtgard.com Cc: eh-list@flail.com Message-id: <7ea86d8f.36124e68@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f In a message dated 9/30/98 9:11:23 AM Mountain Daylight Time, martello@netcom.com writes: << One of my co-workers just got in a catalog for Chadwick's of Boston, and one of the things that got my attention was a pair of suede boots for $29. They are pretty simply designed; high, more-or-less straight leg, buckle strap over the ankle, and a flat heel. I guess if they had a little bit of a heel, they'd be like motorcycle boots. I don't know how they'd hold up in combat, but I for one feel ashamed of myself when I wear tennis shoes to Court, and these look pretty good, especially for the price. They're available in black, hunter green, and taupe, ladies' whole and half sizes 6-10. (I think that equates to 4-8 men's, but it's been a long time since I bought men's shoes. =) >> I know of a shoe store downtown El Paso where I buy my suede boots from $5 - $12 depending on if they are on sale or not. I buy 1 pair a year and they last me thru wind and rain and stuff. They come in several colors too. If interested, e-mail me... Andie From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:57 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2EYI3Z47K8ZF5LW@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:00:51 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id JAA03187 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:47:01 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:45:46 -0400 (EDT) From: mordru@flite.net (Andrew A. Apold) Subject: Re: [Chariots of Fire] Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu X-Sender: mordru@flite.net To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <199809301545.LAA13655@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by horus.anth.utep.edu id JAA03185 X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f >owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu wrote: >Now here is a stupid idea for you, the Chariot in Amtgard. > >Two people, the driver and the passenger. The driver decides where to >go, and is protected by three points of non-sectional armor. While >travelling, he must yell "Yah!" or something like that, and is immune to >melee attacks (he's in a chariot after all). The passenger must stay >with four feet (or so), but can do things while running that normally >require standing still, like spells. He is also protected by 3pts of >armor. The passenger is also immune to melee attacks, unless they are >stopped. Or maybe not. I dunno. Both driver and passenger have to wear >some special garb, like a Charioteer's Hat, or maybe a box on their >waist... Since guy in front is immune to attacks, I think the passenger should be required to wield a flail and flog this person incessantly to get them to move. ... Groo as a slave driver (hauling huge blocks of rock) on the pyramids of Egypt: Groo: "Groo does not believe in using a whip!" (tosses whip to the ground) Slaves: "Yay, Groo!" Groo: "Groo uses a sword!" ============================================ While outside on the Turnpike They've got this new hit tune Thrills become as cheap as gas and gas as cheap as thrills. - "Before the Kiss (A Redcap)" by Blue Öyster Cult -AAA From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:58 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2EZ9YEGO08ZG51M@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:23:18 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id KAA03281 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:10:35 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:08:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Andralaine@aol.com Subject: QUESTION?? Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: Amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <44a4e17.36125791@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f How many Knights who have been knighted over the 15 years of BL, the 10 years of EH and the 8 yrs of CK are still around??? I know that a lot of knights in BL are long gone or just don't come out like they used to. And why can't BL keep their Consorts? 90% or more of the Consorts who ever served BL are long gone, to never return, quit and all. My 2 senses......sight and hearing Andie From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:58 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2F94F6C0W8ZGPZN@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:05:08 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA04154 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:55:16 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:57:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Ellen A Brunet Subject: Olympiad Tee Shirts Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f We still have plenty of those beautiful 5-color Olympiad VIII tee shirts. If you would like one, they are $10 each. Please make checks payable to Tollan Black and send your mailing address to Iamtopknot@aol.com Thank you, Kevin (Vaargard) on behalf of Cap'n Black. From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:58 1998 Return-path: Received: from findmail.com (m3.findmail.com) by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with SMTP id <01J2F0QZ5E1S90G4ZW@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:05:18 CST Received: (qmail 13757 invoked by uid 505); Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:05:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 69 invoked by uid 7770); Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:05:15 +0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:05:15 +0000 Received: from [208.13.191.137] by web4; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:01:44 -0700 (PDT) X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/farwoods-l/ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:01:44 -0700 (PDT) From: William Chamberlin Subject: [farwoods-l] Current thread on IM List To: farwoods-l@makelist.com Message-id: <19980930170144.16420.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: list Delivered-to: listsaver-findlist-farwoods-l@makelist.com Mailing-List: contact farwoods-l-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: farwoods-l@egroups.com Anyone keeping up with the Iron Mountains list will see a thread about 'save the battlegame'. It appears that most IM'ers spend most of their weekly meetings just ditching, and rarely have any scenario at all with class abilities. This is causing a debate about what credit, if any, should be awarded for such games. Would it be prudent to make mention of our habit of holding a class battlegame every week, even when we only have a few fighters ? - Valandar the Red, Snicker's evil twin. === Marxism is the philosophers' opiate. ______________________________________________________________________ Subscribe, unsubscribe, opt for a daily digest, or start a new e-group at http://www.eGroups.com -- Free Web-based e-mail groups. From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:59 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2EZDA158G8ZEW4F@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:26:43 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id KAA03293 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:11:44 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:44:45 -0700 From: kalin2@juno.com Subject: Re: NEWBIE QUESTION Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19980930.120746.9758.1.Kalin2@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 Precedence: bulk X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-23 References: <3107a2c8.36116341@aol.com> X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Willow chose to kiss ass! ;^) Luv ya Willow! Prime Minister Kalin of Goldenvale On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:46:25 EDT WillowDRMR@aol.com writes: >a squire is someone who is taken in by a knight to train. you can >kiss ass to >get the belt or you can ask a knight if you could be their squire. it >will be >hard work. and you'd want to be it to help you on to becoming a >knight. a >training process basicly. > >a page is one who "works" for someone who needs a page. they will tell >you >what you need to do and all that. however if you are of age you can be >a >fighting page too. > >squire willow > >consort of goldenvale > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:59 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2F94CYEOW90LSB1@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:05:07 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA04170 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:56:35 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:44:26 -0600 From: Stephen Duncan Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu X-Sender: duncans@em01.enmu.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f The Shire of Darkwater West recently held elections for the Fall terms of Office. The Board of directors remains the same, and the officers were returned for another term of Office: Misteslaus as Sheriff Zane as Regent Jonothan of Golden Lake as Champion We continue to meet on Sunday afternoons at 1:00 in Rotary Park in Portales, NM and welcome visitors -- you might want to call and make sure we are here -- sometimes the Shire goes a visiting. (Misteslaus (505)356-6008 Misteslaus, Sheriff of DWW Preceptor of the BSWV Bard to the elven Court of AMTGARD aka Rev. Dr. Stephen F. Duncan, OCCA, DMA School of Music - Eastern New Mexico University Station 16 Portales, NM 88130 (505)562-2681 Stephen.Duncan@ENMU.EDU URL: http://oasis.enmu.edu/~duncans/music/music.html From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:59 1998 Return-path: Received: from findmail.com (m3.findmail.com) by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with SMTP id <01J2F677GYOW8ZGNN4@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:41:06 CST Received: (qmail 9351 invoked by uid 505); Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:41:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 14704 invoked by uid 7770); Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:41:32 +0000 Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (205.152.80.21) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:41:32 +0000 Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-214-115-136.bna.bellsouth.net [209.214.115.136]) by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06055 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:41:30 -0400 (EDT) X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/farwoods-l/ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:51:00 -0500 From: Michael Conway Subject: [farwoods-l] Re: Current thread on IM List To: farwoods-l@makelist.com Message-id: <36128BA3.3E4EBC05@bellsouth.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Delivered-to: listsaver-findlist-farwoods-l@makelist.com Mailing-List: contact farwoods-l-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: farwoods-l@egroups.com References: <19980930170144.16420.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> If you are doing nothing but ditching, you should get nothing more than a warrior credit. You are only supposed to receive credit in the class you played. If you don't play a class, you should take a color credit or a warrior credit if you ditched. This should be the case no matter how many people show up. That's they way it has been anywhere I have played and that is the way I did things when I acted as Prime Minister. Of course that means the PM will have to pay attention to who is playing what, but that's not that hard. Sincerely, Andrew MacAulay ______________________________________________________________________ Subscribe, unsubscribe, opt for a daily digest, or start a new e-group at http://www.eGroups.com -- Free Web-based e-mail groups. From - Tue Oct 06 09:23:59 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2F7UDTVWW8ZGYNA@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:28:48 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA03874 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:03:47 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:01:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Duke Sir Naes Weissdrake Subject: Re: Fashion Update! Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: martello@netcom.com Cc: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19980930200147.23916.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [204.214.145.2] X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Some more places to check out for boots... A new one I found yesterday...I ordered 4 pairs because they were so cheap...I haven't received them yet so I don't know how well made, but at this price it don't think it matters much...They had two different pairs I though were good for amtgard. One was a full lace up doc marten type of boot, and one over then knee pull on type of boot. http://www.howcool.com The last place I bought boots, which were really nice boots for the price, but they don't have them in my size anymore...but check this place out... http://www.global2000.net/cgi-bin/cgisecure/jamin/html_web_store.cgi Hope this helps some more... Yours in Service, Sir Naes > One of my co-workers just got in a catalog for Chadwick's of >Boston, and one of the things that got my attention was a pair of suede >boots for $29. They are pretty simply designed; high, more-or-less >straight leg, buckle strap over the ankle, and a flat heel. I guess if >they had a little bit of a heel, they'd be like motorcycle boots. > > I don't know how they'd hold up in combat, but I for one feel >ashamed of myself when I wear tennis shoes to Court, and these look >pretty good, especially for the price. They're available in black, >hunter green, and taupe, ladies' whole and half sizes 6-10. (I think that >equates to 4-8 men's, but it's been a long time since I bought men's >shoes. =) > > The catalog number is E7813. Chadwick's of Boston can be reached >by phone at 1-800-525-6650, or by fax at 1-800-448-5767. Mail-in orders >can be sent to P.O. Box 1600, Taunton, MA 02780-0975. Shipping and sales >tax are a factor, so you'd probably want to call and have them do the >math for you. > > Lady K'tai bin R'al, Sister of the Open Heart > Guildmistress of Healers, Midnight Sun and Emerald Hills > Female Superior of Crawling Chaos~ > Jesus' little Amazon half-sister > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:00 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2F87BE8S090MI9B@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:38:27 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA03955 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:25:58 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:24:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Issix The Harbinger Subject: Knights And CK. Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: aramith@thoth.anth.utep.edu Cc: Claw-l@amtgard.com, amtgard-l@amtgard.com, celestial@mlists.net Message-id: <19980930202404.16973.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.18] X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Hmmm.... I sent something like this with another account to the CK list. I never saw it get here so I'm gonna post it again, it is not directed just to Aramitharis or any single person but to the BLBOD, the CK and anyone else who cares. Aramitharis, no offense, but put up or shut up. Do something if your going too, don't tool around everyone saying that your going to take action and not do it. I don't know if you realize just how many CK and non-CK members of Amtgard your really pissing off with this. It's time to stop talking. It is unfair however to strip CK's kingdom status for his actions. They are the third oldest kingdom and one of the two or three biggest, if not the biggest, kingdoms. So far the only person I hear crying "strip them" is Aramitharis. Kayranna, Bolt, and Bag'Em all have voiced dischord but aren't saying CK should no longer be a kingdom. I'm sure if he broke any rules Father Thomas is more then man enough to step up and take any retribution from the BLBOD that is sent his way. Why don't the BLBOD hold an impromptu meeting and decide what to do w/ this situation. They could vote to retract the CK contract, they could set up a commission to see whether or not any rules were broken. If they chose this option, I would be willing to sit on and be impartial. I think it would be wise to use members from CK, BL, GP, and other kingdoms. Either way just do something and quit talking about doing something. Sponge Jimmykicker Green Dragon Emerald Hill'er ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:00 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2GI6PK3R48ZFZVD@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:35:06 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA08673 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 12:25:11 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:46:56 -0700 From: sulkrist@juno.com (Michael E Atreides) Subject: Re: [CK] September 1998 B.O.D. Minutes Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: mordru@flite.net Cc: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19981001.112753.19671.0.sulkrist@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 Precedence: bulk X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-7,11-12,15-16 References: <199809300501.BAA22615@in.flite.net> X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 01:01:13 -0400 mordru@flite.net (Andrew A. Apold) writes: >>Tell that to Norman Schwarzkopf, a Knight of the Order of Bath. > >IIRC only citizens of the United Kingdom are supposed >to adress him with that. Even they cannot. The title is largely honorary, and only British Subjects are addressed as "Sir", but I think the point stands -- he did accept the title. The "honorary" felgercarb is merely to placate Americans who don't think an American should accept a British title. My own thinking is that you give the title to whomever has earned it, but then I'm a deluded fool who thinks a centralised world government would be a good thing. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:00 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2GI6O501C8ZIL3P@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:35:09 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA08650 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 12:22:46 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:49:39 -0700 From: sulkrist@juno.com (Michael E Atreides) Subject: Re: [CK] September 1998 B.O.D. Minutes Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: Andralaine@aol.com Cc: sulkrist@juno.com, SkeevenMac@aol.com, amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19981001.112753.19671.1.sulkrist@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 Precedence: bulk X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-12,14-18 References: <5b2686fc.36123e2a@aol.com> X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:20:26 EDT Andralaine@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 9/29/98 7:25:07 PM Mountain Daylight Time, >sulkrist@juno.com writes: > ><< >Even the USA which most of us get to play this wonderful game on >has > that exact law. No one may accept a title from another land. > > Tell that to Norman Schwarzkopf, a Knight of the Order of Bath. > >> > >Yes he was knighted.......but in England's so called Copora, anyone >knighted who is not English may NOT use the title SIR before there name in >anything written. > Yes I know, but the fact he is a Knight stands. ________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to use the Internet? Get fast, reliable, affordable Web access From Juno, the world's second largest online service. Download your free software here. From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:01 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FAQ12N5S8ZH6BF@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:50:51 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id PAA04342 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:35:26 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:56:14 -0500 From: Snicker Subject: Huzzah! Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu X-Sender: snicker@pinkpig.com To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <3.0.5.32.19980930155614.0080fdb0@pinkpig.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f In case nobody noticed, the Amtgard Web Ring is now over 100 sites! Huzzah! Snicker P.S. This is NOT my doing ;) Congratulate/thank/Knight/whatever Markon Blackwell (cherokee@mdc.net) of the Shire of Veiled Falls. From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:01 1998 Return-path: Received: from oz.memphis.edu by ADMIN3.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FB1XNM3K9BYNGE@ADMIN3.MEMPHIS.EDU> for MLSHELTN@ADMIN3.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:00:21 CDT Received: (from root@localhost) by oz.memphis.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02108 for MLSHELTN@cc.memphis.edu; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:00:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by oz.memphis.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02096 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:00:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from TruFemale2@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id VESAa10655 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:00:03 -0400 (EDT) From: TruFemale2@aol.com Subject: Re: AGH! To: mlsheltn@memphis.edu Message-id: <58b395c4.3612a9e3@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-PH: V4.1@oz Matthew, Hello there. How are things going? Good here. Just wanted to let you know I got you letter. What's going on with you? Not much new here. I am going to be up in that area about the end of October. (When Tabby's baby is born.) I will have to let you know, and maybe we can meet at the school a day or so. Anyway, I will talk to you later.. Keep me posted. From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:01 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FC4EPMI88ZGYHD@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:30:38 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA04506 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:23:20 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:23:24 -0600 From: "D. Kitka" Subject: Knighthood in general Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <199809302222.QAA19955@mail.elp.rr.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f X-Priority: 3 OK people how about this idea. I offer for discussion the possibility of limiting the number of Knightings that may be awarded per reign, just like some of the other awards are limited. To start the discussion I say perhaps one belt of each order per reign. What do you all think of this as a possible solution to the current issue and for that matter the issue for all time? This would clearly show what was allowed and, hopefully, the players so honored would truly be the "Best and brightest." Ahira, From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:01 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FDJ2TH1C8ZGST0@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:11:27 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA04675 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:01:41 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:53:43 -0400 From: mordru@flite.net (Andrew A. Apold) Subject: Re: Knighthood in general Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu X-Sender: mordru@flite.net To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <199809302253.SAA07498@in.flite.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by horus.anth.utep.edu id RAA04673 X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f >OK people how about this idea. I offer for discussion the possibility of >limiting the number of Knightings that may be awarded per reign, just like >some of the other awards are limited. To start the discussion I say perhaps >one belt of each order per reign. > >What do you all think of this as a possible solution to the current issue >and for that matter the issue for all time? This would clearly show what >was allowed and, hopefully, the players so honored would truly be the "Best >and brightest." The danger is that it might be viewed not only as a limit, but a quota. There might not be that many deserving in some reign, but people might feel obligated to use them because otherwise they'd lose it and not be able to use it next reign should more deserving people arise.... ============================= "All praise, he's found the awful truth, Balthazar... He's found the saucer news!" - E.T.I. by Blue Öyster Cult -AAA From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:02 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FDI56X8W8ZGJB1@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:10:43 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA04629 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:54:58 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:56:26 -0700 From: "John Elmore Jr." Subject: Re: [CK] September 1998 B.O.D. Minutes Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <012701bdecc5$8fc4e540$0201010a@frontdesk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f X-Priority: 3 -----Original Message----- From: Michael E Atreides Subject: Re: [CK] September 1998 B.O.D. Minutes >On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:21:17 -0700 "John Elmore Jr." >writes: >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Thrythlind@aol.com >>Subject: Re: [CK] September 1998 B.O.D. Minutes >>. By letting Father Thomas' alleged violations go without >>comment, CK affirmed him the right to do so. >For this to be true, you must first prove that FT did something which >violated the rules. Your use of "alleged" says that you do not know this >to be true. You're right, this is worded badly. I'm in the habit of putting "alleged" in statements like this, where I don't know for a fact that it's true, and it distorted the meaning of the sentence. What I meant to say is, if Father Thomas (or any Monarch or officer) violates the Corpora and Contract, and the populace does not hold him accountable for his actions (by censure or removal from office) then the kingdom needs to be held accountable. The person I was responding to was under the impression that the people have no control over what their Monarch does while in office, and I was showing him that it wasn't true. Jay (= From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:02 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FDQ6L4SW8ZG61G@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:17:11 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA04735 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:08:31 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:01:05 -0500 From: Bag'em Subject: This makes Amtgard worthwhile! Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: GOLDEN PLAINS LIST , amtgard-l@amtgard.com, Sir Ivar Nefarious , Sir Aramithris Message-id: <3612B830.17B27D3D@arn.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Thanks Ivar for putting us in contact with the Levelland Main Street Celebration. The festival was fun and they were very pleased with what we did. They have already invited us back again next year and have promised a cash donation to Amtgard for our participation next year. Bagem From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:02 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FDLSJ4F48ZEDXO@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:13:39 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA04719 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:08:18 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:02:13 -0700 (PDT) From: William Chamberlin Subject: Re: Knighthood in general Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19980930230213.21944.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f ---"D. Kitka" wrote: > > OK people how about this idea. I offer for discussion the possibility of > limiting the number of Knightings that may be awarded per reign, just like > some of the other awards are limited. To start the discussion I say perhaps > one belt of each order per reign. > > What do you all think of this as a possible solution to the current issue > and for that matter the issue for all time? This would clearly show what > was allowed and, hopefully, the players so honored would truly be the "Best > and brightest." > > Ahira, > There is only one difficulty with that proposition, and that is the disparity in the size of the kingdoms. In a large kingdom, it would be far more difficult to earn a belt than in a smaller one. Therefore, knights of the larger kingdoms would, however much we would try to say it wouldn't happen, be more respected than those of smaller kingdoms. After all, since there is less competition for the belt in a smaller kingdom, the populace of Amtgard, as a whole, would imagine that the knights of those kingdoms just didn't have to prove themselves to the extent that the larger kingdoms did. If we could say, 'a MAXIMUM of one belt of each type, per xxx of populace' that would help a little, but then monarchs still might feel almost obligated to hand out the requisite number of belts per reign. The solution for this does not lie in rules, but in education. Despite the best efforts many, I would be willing to bet that a great number of Amtgardians, especially those who have been in less than three years, would have very little idea what is meant by the words, 'The Dream'. I have also had the misfortune to hear individuals who cross back and forth from the SCA to Amtgard say things like "I play Amtgard because I can be dishonorable. Honor is stupid, and they make me play with it at the SCA." This discourages me, but I understand. Not everyone sees Amtgard as the same thing. If we educate our new members on such things as 'honor', 'nobility', and 'the spirit of the Dream', then such things would be even more ingrained into the fabric of the society than the letter of the rules. Deeds will be done, not for awards or belts, but for the satisfaction of doing them, and helping their fellow Amtgardians. And the fabled white belt, the mark of a true Knight, would once again become something reserved for the very best - as judged by a monarch who lives and breathes the concepts of honor and service. The monarch would understand that to simply pass it out to everyone who has fulfilled the minimum requirements would be to cheapen that honor, and cast mud upon the spirit of the award. We are only human. If we see someone do an exceptional job, we want to recognize them for it. For us, that means orders, and, eventually, perhaps, knighthood. The real trick comes in deciding who is the very best, and here, no human judgement can help but be clouded by a desire to see two equally deserving individuals be so honored. But the final virtue of a knight, and a monarch, is integrity. The monarch must have the integrity to see to it that he or she must judge an individual, not only by the criteria that earned him the qualifications for the belt, but also a consistant, and innate, pattern of behaviour. Kicking the CK out of Amtgard will not solve the issue. Nor will simply turning a blind eye. Only by educating the populace as a whole, and by making such duties clear, can this whole issue be behind us. Thank you for letting me rant. - Valandar the Red of the Empty Tankard _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:03 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FDQHTHTS8ZFUZD@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:17:26 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA04763 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:09:22 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:07:01 -0700 From: Tristan Lightgaard Subject: Re: [CK] September 1998 B.O.D. Minutes Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: "John Elmore Jr." , Amtgard List Message-id: <3612B995.BC7BA2EF@nlights.net> Organization: Boocholios Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk References: <012701bdecc5$8fc4e540$0201010a@frontdesk> X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f > You're right, this is worded badly. I'm in the habit of putting "alleged" in > statements like this, where I don't know for a fact that it's true, and it > distorted the meaning of the sentence. > > What I meant to say is, if Father Thomas (or any Monarch or officer) > violates the Corpora and Contract, and the populace does not hold him > accountable for his actions (by censure or removal from office) then the > kingdom needs to be held accountable. The person I was responding to was > under the impression that the people have no control over what their Monarch > does while in office, and I was showing him that it wasn't true. > > Jay (= I think Father Thomas and his populace have already stated they did not break copora and did not knight someone outside their Kingdom. Which makes this a moot point. How bout those Cardinals eh? With light, Squire Tristan Lightgaard -- "Are all men from the future loud mouth braggarts?" "Nope, just me baby, just me." -Army of Darkness- House Glory http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/1322 From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:03 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FDSQ85TC8ZFR36@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:20:58 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA04815 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:11:58 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:09:42 -0700 From: Tristan Lightgaard Subject: Re: Knighthood in general Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: "Andrew A. Apold" , Amtgard List Message-id: <3612BA36.D047EC05@nlights.net> Organization: Boocholios Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk References: <199809302253.SAA07498@in.flite.net> X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f I seriously doubt that would happen. Ahira's suggestion is very sound. Trist > > >OK people how about this idea. I offer for discussion the possibility of > >limiting the number of Knightings that may be awarded per reign, just like > >some of the other awards are limited. To start the discussion I say perhaps > >one belt of each order per reign. > > > >What do you all think of this as a possible solution to the current issue > >and for that matter the issue for all time? This would clearly show what > >was allowed and, hopefully, the players so honored would truly be the "Best > >and brightest." > > The danger is that it might be viewed not only as a limit, but a > quota. There might not be that many deserving in some reign, but > people might feel obligated to use them because otherwise they'd > lose it and not be able to use it next reign should more deserving > people arise.... > > ============================= > "All praise, he's found > the awful truth, Balthazar... > He's found the saucer news!" > > - E.T.I. by Blue Öyster Cult > > -AAA -- "Are all men from the future loud mouth braggarts?" "Nope, just me baby, just me." -Army of Darkness- House Glory http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/1322 From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:03 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FECAHQG08ZG5Y1@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:34:14 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA05006 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:25:50 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:25:53 -0600 From: "D. Kitka" Subject: Re: Knighthood in general Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <199809302324.RAA05329@mail.elp.rr.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f X-Priority: 3 As to the size of the Kingdom, I am unwilling to use an easily disputed thing like attendance. We have already seen that attenfance can cause difficulties. Perhaps the level of the groups in the Kingdom could be a modifing factor. I know that this will sound funny but perhaps 1 Duchy= +.5 Knights and each Barony = +.25 This would allow a large Kingdom, like the CK, perhaps as many as 3 more belts to award per riegn. Ahira, From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:04 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FEYFSQSW8ZFBQP@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:52:05 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA05128 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:45:38 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:43:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Araceli Pringle Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-L@amtgard.com Message-id: <19980930234354.16463.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [165.95.33.68] X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f I am honoured to announce that my husband Sir Kamal Mustafa of the Golden Plains received his Flame belt. This makes belt number three for him, and,unless my figures are all wrong, but I believe he is now the only tri-belter in our Kingdom. Woos and Kudos! netzai PS...How many other tribelters are in Amtgard, btw? Just curious. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:04 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FFDSY0RK8ZH391@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:04:30 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA05277 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:55:43 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:50:06 -0400 (EDT) From: WillowDRMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Knights And CK. Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: issix@hotmail.com, amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <3f5cec82.3612c3ae@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f is it possible to get the full list of CK knights??? consort willow goldenvale From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:04 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FFBXX3CG8ZGDXR@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:02:58 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA05295 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:56:39 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:51:57 -0500 From: Snicker Subject: Re: Knighthood in general In-reply-to: <199809302324.RAA05329@mail.elp.rr.com> Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu X-Sender: snicker@pinkpig.com To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <3.0.5.32.19980930185157.0085d8c0@pinkpig.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f At 05:25 PM 9/30/98 -0600, D. Kitka wrote: > >As to the size of the Kingdom, I am unwilling to use an easily disputed >thing like attendance. We have already seen that attenfance can cause >difficulties. > >Perhaps the level of the groups in the Kingdom could be a modifing factor. >I know that this will sound funny but perhaps 1 Duchy= +.5 Knights and each >Barony = +.25 > >This would allow a large Kingdom, like the CK, perhaps as many as 3 more >belts to award per riegn. Gack, that or encourage smaller kingdoms to push little lands to bigger lands... "What?! Your duchy is you, your wife and your three kids?" "Well, we needed the belt points, so we started signing in the pets and the local bums..." Snicker who thinks that our petty-peer-pressure system is just fine, thank you ;) From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:05 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FF9I5V8G8ZG95E@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:01:01 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA05253 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:54:25 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:52:05 -0400 (EDT) From: IamTopKnot@aol.com Subject: Re: Kamal Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f In a message dated 98-09-30 19:44:49 EDT, you write: << I am honoured to announce that my husband Sir Kamal Mustafa of the Golden Plains received his Flame belt. >> Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am VERY proud of my son-in-law! Topknot From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:05 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FH9APR748ZEL6K@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:58:06 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id SAA05535 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:52:15 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:50:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Valdemar Gillanders Subject: Re: [CK] (no subject) Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: celestial@mLists.net, DarkLordFT@aol.com Cc: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19981001005032.18434.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [152.163.206.203] X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Greetings from Valdemar!! Oh my god the world is coming to and end. I actually agree with Elspeth. I remain, Valdemar Gillanders ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:05 1998 Return-path: Received: from findmail.com (m3.findmail.com) by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with SMTP id <01J2FHNU8HZ48ZFT4S@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:09:50 CST Received: (qmail 22598 invoked by uid 505); Thu, 01 Oct 1998 01:06:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 13671 invoked by uid 7770); Thu, 01 Oct 1998 01:06:39 +0000 Received: from raven.prod.itd.earthlink.net (209.178.63.9) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 01:06:39 +0000 Received: from jeffdeem (sdn-ar-001coauroP304.dialsprint.net [206.133.170.42]) by raven.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA02509 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:06:36 -0700 (PDT) X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/farwoods-l/ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:02:00 -0600 From: Jeff Deem Subject: [farwoods-l] Re: Current thread on IM List In-reply-to: <19980930170144.16420.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> X-Sender: killraven@pop.a001.sprintmail.com To: farwoods-l@makelist.com Message-id: <3.0.3.32.19980930190200.00749400@pop.a001.sprintmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: list Delivered-to: listsaver-findlist-farwoods-l@makelist.com Mailing-List: contact farwoods-l-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: farwoods-l@egroups.com At 10:01 AM 9/30/98 -0700, William Chamberlin wrote: When we have the allthing, I'll post the results to your list as well to let you know what is going on. Glad to see that you are paying attention to what is happening in the whole group:) I like that. Killraven > Anyone keeping up with the Iron Mountains list will see a >thread about 'save the battlegame'. It appears that most IM'ers >spend most of their weekly meetings just ditching, and rarely >have any scenario at all with class abilities. This is causing >a debate about what credit, if any, should be awarded for such >games. Would it be prudent to make mention of our habit of >holding a class battlegame every week, even when we only have a >few fighters ? > > - Valandar the Red, Snicker's evil twin. > > > >=== > >Marxism is the philosophers' opiate. > > > >______________________________________________________________________ > >Subscribe, unsubscribe, opt for a daily digest, or start a new e-group >at http://www.eGroups.com -- Free Web-based e-mail groups. > > ______________________________________________________________________ Subscribe, unsubscribe, opt for a daily digest, or start a new e-group at http://www.eGroups.com -- Free Web-based e-mail groups. From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:05 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FHSRVOS08ZF7WF@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:13:49 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id TAA05634 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:07:51 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:05:35 -0400 (EDT) From: IamTopKnot@aol.com Subject: Olympiad Warskill Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <1f1367f9.3612d55f@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Flail & Shield 1st Place Belgarin 2nd Place Drake 3rd Place Sir Michael Great Weapon 1st Place Drake 2nd Place Sir Spyn 3rd Place Arg Single Sword 1st Place Azhir 2nd Place Blank (a veritable newbie!) 3rd Place Sir Lief Sword & Shield 1st Place Sir Infinity 2nd Place Sir Michael 3rd Place Azeem Dual Weapon 1st Place Sir Lief 2nd Place Sir Spyn 3rd Place Sir Infinity Freestyle 1st Place Sir Shadow 2nd Place Forest 3rd Place Cedric The Warskill portion of Olympiad went very smoothly and finished ahead of schedule, largely thanks to the efforts of Avery Kess who stepped in at the last minute to fill in for my head reeve who was called away to Dallas on a job interview. The reeves all busted their butts and put up w/ a lot of the usual bs, yet stayed calm and (relatively) sane. They were: Avery, Trelath, Sable, Trebor, Lucas, Nightsong, Gideon, Lakus, and Cross. The folks who happily volunteered to fight bye matches were: Ocat, Stryder, Sparhawk, Cap'n Black, Woden, and Warblade. And I can't give thanks enough to Hamarin for running a very different and entertaining archery competition Friday night or to Sir Denah, who was suckered into being my List Mistress on Saturday. Each person was given one point for each match won. First place got 3 points additionally, 2nd got 2, and third got 1. Final scores are win points and place points combined. I have the complete list of everyone and the points they earned. If you would like to receive this list, please e-mail me PRIVATELY and I will send you the list. Topknot From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:06 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FHRU6G6O8ZGALH@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:13:05 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id TAA05624 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:07:39 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:05:40 -0400 (EDT) From: IamTopKnot@aol.com Subject: Olympiad Highlight Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f I CAN'T believe everyone left out the BEST highlight of Scarhart & Joachim's impromptu bardic Saturday night!!!! Sir Cabal singing "Day-O: the Banana Boat Song" I don't know when I have laughed SO much in my entire life! That one MUST be repeated many, many times! Topknot From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:06 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FEW1Y24G90MR3Z@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:50:12 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA05107 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:45:12 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:36:07 -0700 From: kalin2@juno.com Subject: Re: Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19980930.194301.10454.0.Kalin2@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 Precedence: bulk X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-39 References: X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Congratulations to the new officers of Darkwater West!!! Prime Minister Kalin Dreycon High Mage of the Conclave of Mages Clan Dreycon of Greymoor On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:44:26 -0600 "Stephen Duncan" writes: >The Shire of Darkwater West recently held elections for the Fall terms >of >Office. The Board of directors remains the same, and the officers >were >returned for another term of Office: >Misteslaus as Sheriff >Zane as Regent >Jonothan of Golden Lake as Champion > >We continue to meet on Sunday afternoons at 1:00 in Rotary Park in >Portales, NM and welcome visitors -- you might want to call and make >sure >we are here -- sometimes the Shire goes a visiting. (Misteslaus >(505)356-6008 > >Misteslaus, Sheriff of DWW >Preceptor of the BSWV >Bard to the elven Court of AMTGARD > >aka > > >Rev. Dr. Stephen F. Duncan, OCCA, DMA >School of Music - Eastern New Mexico University >Station 16 >Portales, NM 88130 >(505)562-2681 >Stephen.Duncan@ENMU.EDU >URL: http://oasis.enmu.edu/~duncans/music/music.html > > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:06 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FEWYSASW90L3V3@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:50:58 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA05103 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:45:03 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:38:28 -0700 From: kalin2@juno.com Subject: Re: Huzzah! Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com, goldenvale@makelist.com Message-id: <19980930.194301.10454.2.Kalin2@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 Precedence: bulk X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-16 References: <3.0.5.32.19980930155614.0080fdb0@pinkpig.com> X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Huzzah, Markon. I was not aware that you were responsible for the Amtgard web ring. Job well done! Prime Minister Kalin Dreycon High Mage of the Conclave of Mages Clan Dreycon of Greymoor On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:56:14 -0500 Snicker writes: >In case nobody noticed, the Amtgard Web Ring is now over 100 sites! >Huzzah! > >Snicker > >P.S. This is NOT my doing ;) Congratulate/thank/Knight/whatever >Markon >Blackwell (cherokee@mdc.net) of the Shire of Veiled Falls. > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:07 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FRWVCB2O8ZG9ZG@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 01:03:26 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id XAA06452 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:56:28 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:18:17 -0700 From: Nuclear Winter Subject: Re: Knights And CK. Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: WillowDRMR@aol.com Cc: issix@hotmail.com, amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <36131098.9F08826B@gte.net> Organization: The New World Order MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk References: <3f5cec82.3612c3ae@aol.com> X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f X-Priority: 3 (Normal) WillowDRMR@aol.com wrote: > is it possible to get the full list of CK knights??? > > consort willow > goldenvale It might help, along with that list to know if they even show up anymore and what they did to earn that belt.... just a though. -downfall From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:07 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FSCOP3PS8ZH2N8@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 01:15:24 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id AAA06580 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 00:08:14 -0600 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 01:08:42 -0500 From: Medryn Subject: Re: Knights And CK. In-reply-to: <36131098.9F08826B@gte.net> Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu X-Sender: prentisj@southwestern.edu To: Nuclear Winter , WillowDRMR@aol.com Cc: issix@hotmail.com, amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <3.0.2.32.19981001010842.007421ec@southwestern.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk References: <3f5cec82.3612c3ae@aol.com> X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f here is a list of active CK knights there are about 5-10 more that are either no longer active or active in other kingdoms.....hope it helps meddy *Sir Tholden Crown, Flame sword *Cardinal Dunbar Flame Sir Durrin SeaEagle Flame Dame Shanti Flame Sir Raven Serpent Annihalus Sir Zodiac Flame Annihalus Sir Arion Flame, Crown Annihalus Sir I'magg flame, sword Annihalus Sir Hillary Flame Annihalus Sir Zircon crown Annihalus Sir Snake Eyes sword Annihalus Sir Ursor crown sword Annihalus Sir Swiftwind sword Annihalus Sir Theo crown, sword, flame Annihalus Sir Belgarin Flame Annihalus Sir Farlo Flame Annihalus Sir Mandigore Crown Annihalus Sir Vera Flame Saracens Dame Ke-She Flame Saracens Sir Pebyr Serpent, Flame, Crown Saracens Sir Phinneus Flame Saracens *Sir Skywise Flame Saracens *Sir Beloch Serpent Saracens Sir Kaderian Flame Saracens Sir Wilhelm Flame Saracens Sir Emanon Flame Tigers *Sir Ta' shi 'iak Flame Tigers *Sir Ch'ado Sword Tigers Sir Drakknar Sword Chosen Sir Arthon Sword Chosen *Sir Martel Serpent Wardancers Sir Father Thomas Flame Wardancers Sir Warchylde Serpent Prime Syr Syko Serpent Wardancer's *Sir Amorden Flame Lions Sir Nightlynx Serpent Black Rose Sir Rook Sword Arms Sir Athisdaine Serpent Morgorach Sir McGregor Flame Nemisis Bane * indicates inactive/semi-inactive At 10:18 PM 9/30/1998 -0700, Nuclear Winter wrote: >WillowDRMR@aol.com wrote: > >> is it possible to get the full list of CK knights??? >> >> consort willow >> goldenvale > > It might help, along with that list to know if they even show up >anymore and what they did to earn that belt.... just a though. > >-downfall > > > A N N I H A L U S ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:07 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FUEN7BBK8ZHL37@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 02:14:16 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id BAA06784 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 01:06:05 -0600 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 06:58:05 +0000 (America/Fort_Wayne) From: Jaeden Dracul Ben-Israel of Ironwolf Subject: Re: [Re: Knights And CK.] Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19981001065805.7235.qmail@www0i.netaddress.usa.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu wrote: > here is a list of active CK knights there are about 5-10 more that are > either no longer active or active in other kingdoms.....hope it helps meddy > *Cardinal Dunbar Flame Dunbar is CK inactive because he is a memeber of the Duchy of Mordengard, a province of the Kingdom of the Wetlands. (He's actually showed up :) ) Semper Servus, Jaeden Dracul Ben-Israel of Ironwolf ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:08 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FUSB29DS8ZH0P7@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 02:25:16 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id BAA06884 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 01:20:17 -0600 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 02:20:46 -0500 From: Medryn Subject: Re: [Re: Knights And CK.] In-reply-to: <19981001065805.7235.qmail@www0i.netaddress.usa.net> Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu X-Sender: prentisj@southwestern.edu To: Jaeden Dracul Ben-Israel of Ironwolf , amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <3.0.2.32.19981001022046.0073204c@southwestern.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f actually he has been showing up semi-regularly at drackenroc in austin as well At 06:58 AM 10/1/1998 America/Fort, Jaeden Dracul Ben-Israel of Ironwolf wrote: >owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu wrote: >> here is a list of active CK knights there are about 5-10 more that are > >> either no longer active or active in other kingdoms.....hope it helps meddy > >> *Cardinal Dunbar Flame > >Dunbar is CK inactive because he is a memeber of the Duchy of Mordengard, a >province of the Kingdom of the Wetlands. (He's actually showed up :) ) > >Semper Servus, >Jaeden Dracul Ben-Israel of Ironwolf > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > A N N I H A L U S ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:08 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FV19EWY88ZH8PA@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 02:32:29 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id BAA06948 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 01:26:17 -0600 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 07:24:56 +0000 (America/Fort_Wayne) From: Jaeden Dracul Ben-Israel of Ironwolf Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Knights And CK.]] Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19981001072456.1421.qmail@www0g.netaddress.usa.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f prentisj@southwestern.edu wrote: > actually he has been showing up semi-regularly at drackenroc in austin as well > > At 06:58 AM 10/1/1998 America/Fort, Jaeden Dracul Ben-Israel of Ironwolf > wrote: > >owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu wrote: > >> here is a list of active CK knights there are about 5-10 more that are > > > >> either no longer active or active in other kingdoms.....hope it helps meddy > > > >> *Cardinal Dunbar Flame > > > >Dunbar is CK inactive because he is a memeber of the Duchy of Mordengard, a > >province of the Kingdom of the Wetlands. (He's actually showed up :) ) > > > >Semper Servus, > >Jaeden Dracul Ben-Israel of Ironwolf > > Actually, I meant I THINK his credits are in Mordengard. Were last time I checked. And I hope he would go to Austin/Burnet events, he lives in Burnet after all :) Semper Servus, Jaeden Dracul Ben-Israel of Ironwolf ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:08 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2FYG76ZN48ZH6IB@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 04:10:04 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id CAA07254 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 02:15:24 -0600 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 01:13:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Master Cain Subject: Re: Knighthood in general Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: mordru@flite.net, amtgard-l@amtgard.com, tristan@nlights.net Message-id: <19981001081332.6497.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [207.149.222.241] X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f >From: Tristan Lightgaard >Subject: Re: Knighthood in general > >I seriously doubt that would happen. Ahira's suggestion is very sound. Dunno about that. Having seen some of the cheese associated with many Knight's belts, I'd say that he's got a very valid point. No offense meant to any knight; but let's face it, we've all seen some serious velveeta done to get that white belt. Cain >> >OK people how about this idea. I offer for discussion the possibility = >of >> >limiting the number of Knightings that may be awarded per reign, just = >like >> >some of the other awards are limited. To start the discussion I say pe= >rhaps >> >one belt of each order per reign. >> > >> >What do you all think of this as a possible solution to the current is= >sue >> >and for that matter the issue for all time? This would clearly show wh= >at >> >was allowed and, hopefully, the players so honored would truly be the = >"Best >> >and brightest." >> The danger is that it might be viewed not only as a limit, but a >> quota. There might not be that many deserving in some reign, but >> people might feel obligated to use them because otherwise they'd >> lose it and not be able to use it next reign should more deserving >> people arise.... "Life is pain. Anyone who says differently is selling something." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:09 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2G1EQCCFK8ZHGON@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:35:09 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id DAA07496 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 03:20:46 -0600 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 05:18:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Thrythlind@aol.com Subject: Magic Junk Again Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com, celestial@mlists.net Message-id: <23150972.361348ee@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_907233519_boundary" Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_907233519_boundary Content-ID: <0_907233519@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 10/1/98 4:16:13 AM Central Daylight Time, MAILER- DAEMON@aol.com writes: > ----- Original message follows ----- > > Received: from Thrythlind@aol.com > by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 2ACYa02301; > Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:14:16 -0400 (EDT) > From: Thrythlind@aol.com > Return-path: > Message-ID: <44bab71.361347e8@aol.com> > Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:14:16 EDT > To: wolfpack@applink.net, amtgard-l@amtgard.comcelestialmlists.net > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: Re: Ideas on the Wizard Spell List > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 > > I got bored...decided to prick a discussion ;) > > In a message dated 10/1/98 2:23:47 AM Central Daylight Time, > gavvin_quinn@yahoo.com writes: > > > ---Thrythlind@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > And at 6th Level > > > Force Bolt > > > T: Spell > > > M: Wand > > > I: Caster points at victim and says "Force Bolt"x10 > > > R: 50' > > > E: Target dies > > > > > > Cost: 1, Max: 4, 1/G > > > > > > > Why? This is the same as Curse except the incantation is one syllable > > shorter. > > Actually, no, this spell would not be defined as magic, and later I > suggested > changing it to "Immolation" and changing the incantation into something like > "Burst into Flames"x5 or 10 > > > > > Wizards are powerful enough as is. They don't need more spells. > > Wizards pay the least for thier weapons AND get warskill at 5th level. > > Wizards are the only spellcasters that can have more than 4 lives, the > > only class that can enchant themselves and still cast spells (defend), > > have both spells that can be cast while moving, have the largest spell > > list, etc. > > > > My suggestion for changes to the magic users would be to: > > > > 1) make the weapons cost equal for all MU classes if they can use a > > particular weapon. > > Not sure about that, though maybe Bards and Healers should have easier > access > than Wizards and Druids to weapons. > > > > > 2) Give Healers the Cancel spell and a reason to advance past 4th level > > Thank you, Thank you. Yes they need some stuff now that the spell point > system is standardized. That Phoenix Fire thing sounded cool > > > > > 3) Give the Bard a larger spell list including spells that are unique > > to them. Just giving them them more spells from the other classes is > > NOT going to fix the class. > > Yes again, there was a brief period when there was a whole bunch of > interesting Bard spells, things like Familiar and the "Hippie Circle" though > I > don't know the real name of that spell any more. > > > > > Just my opinion, > > Lord Gavvin Quinn > > 6th level Warrior > > 6th level Healer > > 6th level Assassin > > 5th level Wizard > > Merely a Master Archmage > > > --part0_907233519_boundary Content-ID: <0_907233519@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <> Received: from rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (rly-zc01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.1]) by air-zc03.mail.aol.com (v50.14) with SMTP; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 05:16:13 -0400 Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id FAA13789 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost) by imo26.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) with internal id FAA02470; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:14:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: amtgard.comcelestialmlists.net: host not found) Message-Id: <199810010914.FAA02470@imo26.mx.aol.com> To: Thrythlind@aol.com Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The original message was received at Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:14:16 -0400 (EDT) from root@localhost *** ATTENTION *** Your e-mail is being returned to you because there was a problem with its delivery. 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Host unknown (Name server: amtgard.comcelestialmlists.net: host not found) ----- Original message follows ----- Received: from Thrythlind@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 2ACYa02301; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:14:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Thrythlind@aol.com Return-path: Message-ID: <44bab71.361347e8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:14:16 EDT To: wolfpack@applink.net, amtgard-l@amtgard.comcelestialmlists.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Ideas on the Wizard Spell List Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 I got bored...decided to prick a discussion ;) In a message dated 10/1/98 2:23:47 AM Central Daylight Time, gavvin_quinn@yahoo.com writes: > ---Thrythlind@aol.com wrote: > > > > And at 6th Level > > Force Bolt > > T: Spell > > M: Wand > > I: Caster points at victim and says "Force Bolt"x10 > > R: 50' > > E: Target dies > > > > Cost: 1, Max: 4, 1/G > > > > Why? This is the same as Curse except the incantation is one syllable > shorter. Actually, no, this spell would not be defined as magic, and later I suggested changing it to "Immolation" and changing the incantation into something like "Burst into Flames"x5 or 10 > > Wizards are powerful enough as is. They don't need more spells. > Wizards pay the least for thier weapons AND get warskill at 5th level. > Wizards are the only spellcasters that can have more than 4 lives, the > only class that can enchant themselves and still cast spells (defend), > have both spells that can be cast while moving, have the largest spell > list, etc. > > My suggestion for changes to the magic users would be to: > > 1) make the weapons cost equal for all MU classes if they can use a > particular weapon. Not sure about that, though maybe Bards and Healers should have easier access than Wizards and Druids to weapons. > > 2) Give Healers the Cancel spell and a reason to advance past 4th level Thank you, Thank you. Yes they need some stuff now that the spell point system is standardized. That Phoenix Fire thing sounded cool > > 3) Give the Bard a larger spell list including spells that are unique > to them. Just giving them them more spells from the other classes is > NOT going to fix the class. Yes again, there was a brief period when there was a whole bunch of interesting Bard spells, things like Familiar and the "Hippie Circle" though I don't know the real name of that spell any more. > > Just my opinion, > Lord Gavvin Quinn > 6th level Warrior > 6th level Healer > 6th level Assassin > 5th level Wizard Merely a Master Archmage --part0_907233519_boundary-- From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:09 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2G7XVOKKW8ZGQBQ@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:42:24 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id HAA08009 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 07:35:05 -0600 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:34:19 -0500 From: psobaka@mail.myriad.net (harry billings) Subject: Re: Knighthood in general Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu X-Sender: psobaka@mail.myriad.net To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <199810011334.IAA07711@newman.myriad.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f > I have also had the >misfortune to hear individuals who cross back and forth from >the SCA to Amtgard say things like "I play Amtgard because I >can be dishonorable. Honor is stupid, and they make me play >with it at the SCA." This discourages me, but I understand. Not >everyone sees Amtgard as the same thing. Idjits like that make a massive mess in both games...the attitude causes trouble for SCA in Amtgard and trouble for Amtgard in the SCA. Amtgard has lost event sites (at least around here) because of this bias. I suspect until people on *both* sides of this particular fence grow up very little will change for the better. I will say that I play both games. I've played SCA for just over 15 years and played it at the same time as Amtgard for a bit under 5 years. I play for the same reasons, I have friends there. I also play for different reasons. In the SCA I'm required to keep a high level of authenticity and quality of my work. In Amtgard the atmouspere is more relaxed and I can trot out the fantasy based work I have. I can take the fantasy stuff to the SCA in masked balls and frequently ccompete and sell stuff to Amtgarders that was made by the standards of the SCA that I was taught. That way people on both sides (including me) benifit from the ideas of the other group. Just an opinion, it's a free country. You can scream all you want. Miekayawa Amtgard: Countess Alara the Drake SCA: Lady Saffiya 'bint Da'ud Al'Mubbarak From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:09 1998 Return-path: Received: from x12.boston.juno.com by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2GHD77ES08ZGYNP@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:12:03 CST Received: (from darran.cloud@juno.com) by x12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DQHAV3WZ; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 14:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 14:12:10 -0400 (EDT) From: darran.cloud@juno.com (darran d cloud) Subject: a935@concentric.net: Do you feel old? To: mlsheltn@mocha.memphis.edu Message-id: <19981001.122532.5287.0.darran.cloud@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,16-103,105-107 --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: a935@concentric.net To: bob massie ,brent powell ,tcmedlin@concentric.net,UESI01@aol.com, darran.cloud@juno.com,gb636@ix.netcom.com,ghair@netten.net,glenda/perry ,Harry Brisco ,JimboTN@juno.com,csaangel@aol.com, jrcrumii@aol.com,jim ,jstrange@magibox.net,thmsrwdy@memphisonline.com, knightsi@juno.com,jstark1@bellsouth.net, b642@atuvm.atu.edu, b642@hotmail.com,kwh1@ra.msstate.edu, kayb1860@aol.com, satyreli@mailexcite.com,lacoley@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu, markmrcr1@aol.com,ShineOn16@aol.com, eglon@worldnet.att.net, rturner@cswnet.com,rturner@entergy.com, rnricky@juno.com, RNRicky@ix.netcom.com,jabbawak@aol.com, kc5art@aol.com, hair@mc.edu,bluewaterj@aol.com,tbates@netten.net, tbates@direclynx.net,t.bates@usa.net,vanmor@aol.com Subject: Do you feel old? Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:10:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980917221030.0082e490@pop3.concentric.net> Subject: Don't you feel Old ...???? =20 =20 The people who are starting college this fall across the nation were born in 1980. They have no meaningful recollection of the Reagan era and did not know he had ever been shot. They were prepubescent when the Persian Gulf War was waged. Black Monday 1987 is as significant to them as the Great Depression. There has only been one Pope. They can only really remember one president. They were 11 when the Soviet Union broke apart and do not remember the Cold War. They have never feared a nuclear war. "The Day After" is a pill to them, not a movie. CCCP is just a bunch of letters. They have only known one Germany. They are too young to remember the Space shuttle blowing up, and Tienamin Square means nothing to them. They do not know who Momar Qadafi is. =20 Their lifetime has always included AIDS. They never had a Polio shot and likely do not know what it is. Bottle caps have not only always been screw off, but have always been plastic. They have no idea what a pull top can looks like. Atari pre-dates them, as do vinyl albums. The expression "you sound like a broken record" means nothing to them. They have never owned a record Player. They have likely never played Pac Man and have never heard of Pong. Star Wars looks very fake, and the special effects are pathetic. There have always been red M&M's, and blue ones are not new. What do you mean there used to be beige ones? =20 They may have heard of an 8-track, but chances are they probably have never actually seen or heard one. The Compact Disc was introduced when they were 1 year old. As far as they know, stamps have always cost about 32 cents. Zip codes have always had a dash in them. They have always had an =20 answering machine. Most have never seen a TV set with only 13 channels, nor have they seen a black and white TV. They have always had cable. There have always been VCR's, but they have no idea what Beta is. They cannot fathom not having a remote control. They were born the year that Walkman were introduced by Sony. Roller-skating has always meant inline for them. They have never heard of King Cola, Burger Chef, The Globe Democrat, Pan AM or Ozark Airlines. The Tonight Show has always been hosted by Jay Leno. They have no idea when or why Jordache jeans were cool. Popcorn has always been cooked in a microwave. =20 They have never seen and remember a game that included the St. Louis Football Cardinals, the Baltimore Colts, the Minnesota North Stars, the Kansas City Kings, the New Orleans Jazz, the Minnesota Lakers, the Atlanta Flames, or the Denver Rockies (NHL hockey, that is). They do not consider the Colorado Rockies, the Florida Marlins, the Florida Panthers, the Ottawa Senators, the San Jose Sharks, or the Tampa Bay Lightning "expansion teams." =20 They have never seen Larry Bird play, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is a football player. They never took a swim and thought about Jaws. The Vietnam War is as ancient history to them as WWI, WWII or even the Civil War. They have no idea that Americans were ever held hostage in Iran. They can't imagine what hard contact lenses are. They don't know who Mork was or where he was from. They never heard the terms "Where's the beef?", "I'd Walk a mile for Camel", or "de plane, de plane!". They do not care who shot J.R. and have no idea who J.R. is. The Cosby Show, The Facts of Life, Silver Spoons, The Love =20 Boat, Miami Vice, WKRP in Cincinnati, and Taxi are shows they have likely never seen. =20 The Titanic was found? I didn't know it was lost. Michael Jackson has always been white. They cannot remember the Cardinals ever winning a World Series, or even being in one. Kansas, Chicago, Boston, America and Alabama are places, not groups. McDonalds never came in Styrofoam containers. =20 Do you feel old now? Remember, the people who don't know these things will be in college this year. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- WORRYING IS A SIN Worrying is like saying to God: "I know you=20 mean well, but I dont think you will follow through with what you said you'd do. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- =D5=BF=D5 / Certified Novell 4.11 Administrator / Amateur Radio - KB5UMS / --------- End forwarded message ---------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:10 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2GJCX1VJK8ZH8RH@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:09:20 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA08804 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 12:57:42 -0600 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:55:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Duke Sir Naes Weissdrake Subject: Re: Knights And CK. Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: prentisj@southwestern.edu Cc: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19981001185540.3924.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [204.214.145.2] X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f I'm sure this list isn't even remotely complete...And I'm waiting on an official list that I requested from Father Thomas...at Harvest War he said him and his PM were still compiling the information. Sir Naes >here is a list of active CK knights there are about 5-10 more that are >either no longer active or active in other kingdoms.....hope it helps meddy > > > > > *Sir Tholden Crown, Flame sword > *Cardinal Dunbar Flame > Sir Durrin SeaEagle Flame > Dame Shanti Flame > Sir Raven Serpent Annihalus > Sir Zodiac Flame Annihalus > Sir Arion Flame, Crown Annihalus > Sir I'magg flame, sword Annihalus > Sir Hillary Flame Annihalus > Sir Zircon crown Annihalus > Sir Snake Eyes sword Annihalus > Sir Ursor crown sword Annihalus > Sir Swiftwind sword Annihalus > Sir Theo crown, sword, flame Annihalus > Sir Belgarin Flame Annihalus > Sir Farlo Flame Annihalus > Sir Mandigore Crown Annihalus > Sir Vera Flame Saracens > Dame Ke-She Flame Saracens > Sir Pebyr Serpent, Flame, Crown Saracens > Sir Phinneus Flame Saracens > *Sir Skywise Flame Saracens > *Sir Beloch Serpent Saracens > Sir Kaderian Flame Saracens > Sir Wilhelm Flame Saracens > Sir Emanon Flame Tigers > *Sir Ta' shi 'iak Flame Tigers > *Sir Ch'ado Sword Tigers > Sir Drakknar Sword Chosen > Sir Arthon Sword Chosen > *Sir Martel Serpent Wardancers > Sir Father Thomas Flame Wardancers > Sir Warchylde Serpent Prime > Syr Syko Serpent Wardancer's > *Sir Amorden Flame Lions > Sir Nightlynx Serpent Black Rose > Sir Rook Sword Arms > Sir Athisdaine Serpent Morgorach > Sir McGregor Flame Nemisis Bane > > >* indicates inactive/semi-inactive > > > >At 10:18 PM 9/30/1998 -0700, Nuclear Winter wrote: >>WillowDRMR@aol.com wrote: >> >>> is it possible to get the full list of CK knights??? >>> >>> consort willow >>> goldenvale >> >> It might help, along with that list to know if they even show up >>anymore and what they did to earn that belt.... just a though. >> >>-downfall >> >> >> > >A N N I H A L U S ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:10 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2GJFWK9XC8ZHIC4@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:11:34 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA08820 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 12:58:05 -0600 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:55:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Issix The Harbinger Subject: Re: CK bottom line Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Cc: IRONMTN-L@LIST.IEX.NET, inlandocean-l@jon.lightrealm.com, mystic@aracnet.com, VSR-l@listbox.com, wetlands-l@thewetlands.org Message-id: <19981001185541.20637.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.17] X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Howdy, in a fit of boredom and lack of anything truely constructive to do at work I've decided to make a web page for AOL IM'ers in Amtgard. If any of you schmucks got IM not ICQ mail me your user name and I'll add you to the list I'm making. Sponge ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:10 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2GJQUMJ7K8ZISSL@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:20:24 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id NAA08928 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 13:05:38 -0600 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 14:57:12 -0400 From: mordru@flite.net (Andrew A. Apold) Subject: Re: Knights And CK. Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu X-Sender: mordru@flite.net To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <199810011857.OAA31361@in.flite.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by horus.anth.utep.edu id NAA08926 X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f > >I'm sure this list isn't even remotely complete...And I'm waiting on an >official list that I requested from Father Thomas...at Harvest War he >said him and his PM were still compiling the information. This was a couple years ago, but wasn't there a web page and/or list out there somewhere that someone had in an attempt to list all the knights everywhere? I remember the person (can't recall who) was trying to also get pictures of them all, because I remember mailing a picture of Sir Icefyre for this since he was living out here (actually in Falling Fire) at the time. >> *Sir Tholden Crown, Flame sword snip... >> Sir McGregor Flame Nemisis Bane What? No Sir Narsya Vasudeva? ============================================ While outside on the Turnpike They've got this new hit tune Thrills become as cheap as gas and gas as cheap as thrills. - "Before the Kiss (A Redcap)" by Blue Öyster Cult -AAA From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:11 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2GK4IGP748ZGZ4P@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:30:46 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id NAA09336 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 13:16:04 -0600 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 12:13:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Duke Sir Naes Weissdrake Subject: Re: Knighthood in general Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: psobaka@mail.myriad.net Cc: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19981001191359.8306.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [204.214.145.2] X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f I don't think most people understand that both groups offer alot that the other doesn't. I like the SCA for alot of it's professionalism...and I like the different style of fighting. Yet I like Amtgard because I've been doing it forever. I don't have to wear armor to fight in the summer heat. Plus the atmosphere is alot more relaxed...I've seen alot of people cross over. Some do both, some just change because the like the other better. I've also seen all the problem between the two groups. That could usually be resolved as long as the people doing both treat each as seperate things and try to keep their actions to what would be appropriate for each group... Sir Naes > >> I have also had the >>misfortune to hear individuals who cross back and forth from >>the SCA to Amtgard say things like "I play Amtgard because I >>can be dishonorable. Honor is stupid, and they make me play >>with it at the SCA." This discourages me, but I understand. Not >>everyone sees Amtgard as the same thing. > > >Idjits like that make a massive mess in both games...the attitude causes >trouble for SCA in Amtgard and trouble for Amtgard in the SCA. Amtgard has >lost event sites (at least around here) because of this bias. I suspect >until people on *both* sides of this particular fence grow up very little >will change for the better. > >I will say that I play both games. I've played SCA for just over 15 years >and played it at the same time as Amtgard for a bit under 5 years. I play >for the same reasons, I have friends there. I also play for different >reasons. In the SCA I'm required to keep a high level of authenticity and >quality of my work. In Amtgard the atmouspere is more relaxed and I can >trot out the fantasy based work I have. I can take the fantasy stuff to the >SCA in masked balls and frequently ccompete and sell stuff to Amtgarders >that was made by the standards of the SCA that I was taught. That way >people on both sides (including me) benifit from the ideas of the other group. > >Just an opinion, it's a free country. You can scream all you want. > >Miekayawa >Amtgard: Countess Alara the Drake >SCA: Lady Saffiya 'bint Da'ud Al'Mubbarak > > Once a Knight Always a Knight,Once a King is Once to Often. ---Duke Sir Naes Weissdrake--- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:11 1998 Return-path: Received: from findmail.com (m3.findmail.com) by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with SMTP id <01J2GNP2RQZK8ZHJO0@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:13:26 CST Received: (qmail 17645 invoked by uid 505); Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:59:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 28972 invoked by uid 7770); Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:59:44 +0000 Received: from ns2.rockymtn.net (HELO mail2.rockymtn.net) (166.93.8.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:59:44 +0000 Received: from default (166-93-69-75.rmi.net [166.93.69.75]) by mail2.rockymtn.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA00080 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 14:59:30 -0600 (MDT) X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/farwoods-l/ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 14:51:41 -0600 From: Douglas Mallory Subject: [farwoods-l] Iron Mountains X-Sender: dmallory@popmail.ixlmemphis.com (Unverified) To: farwoods-l@makelist.com Message-id: <199810012059.OAA00080@mail2.rockymtn.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Demo Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: list Delivered-to: listsaver-findlist-farwoods-l@makelist.com Mailing-List: contact farwoods-l-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: farwoods-l@egroups.com Hello from beautiful Colorado! I'm here, I have email access again - still to dmallory@shire.net but I can read it. My observations on IM: 1. Killraven uses at least a 12 foot pole-arm.. I think he's a chicken. :) 2. Minus that 12 footer, bridge battles are a blast. 3. Yup, they ditch a great deal. And it's fun. 4. Northen Holdfast is a blast. They do battle games, too. 5. My sword tip is legal. Raquet balls aren't really appreciated. 6. My throwing hammer: "Wow, an actual hammer shaped hammer." However, it's illegal. No cores allowed in any throwing weapon but arrows and javelins. But I can use it, since it's so damn safe. 7. Hands on any weapon are safe. 8. My glaive, formerly and IFGS quarterstaff, two years old, after traveling 1200 miles, snapped the first day out. 9. 6'10" kite rod spars are available! 10.*** "tip" "off weapon" "off shield" "light" just aren't called. You get hit, you take a wound. 11. I'm not getting my ass kicked too baddly, aside from the high knight density. No, I'm far from great, but our skill level can survive okay. 12. Will be PC'ing or NPC'ing a game of GEAS this weekend. GEAS was formerly known as IFGARD... that should explain it. I'll let you know how it works out! 13. Garb is mostly simple tunics, shirts, and wrap pants. There's quite a lot of ornamentation on top of the gard - much applique... 14. Dragonmaster is next weekend - but after seeing Olympiad, you can form your own opinions. 15. How did we do at Olympiad? (What? Jeff reads this list? Whoops... ignore that first comment.) :) More later, - Douglas Mallory aka Brennan of the Farwoods - "Microsoft patents ones, zeros" ______________________________________________________________________ Subscribe, unsubscribe, opt for a daily digest, or start a new e-group at http://www.eGroups.com -- Free Web-based e-mail groups. From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:12 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2GNXWF9Q88ZHWLG@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:20:33 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id PAA09762 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:04:44 -0600 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:02:50 -0600 (MDT) From: "B. KLINDWORTH" Subject: Re: CK bottom line In-reply-to: <3611B093.34E7@swbell.net> Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: doc22 Cc: "Korderellin B. von D." , amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Yes, all Amtgard is silent on this issue. You're right. They haven't been making snide comments about the prevalence of CK knights for years. *rolls his eyes* Jokes about CK knights are old, old jokes. The problem is, its to the point where they're not funny anymore. Now when people take you to task for those policies that make others snicker behind your back (and often in front of your face!) you have the gall to slam them. Perhaps its YOUR fault. Is the solution to dare the BLBOD to take action? Of course not, for in the absence of change in your policies it leaves the BOD no choice. On the contrary, the true choice only lies with you. Are you making the right one? Garik On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, doc22 wrote: > Korderellin and all of Amtgard, > > > Aramithris. The others are silent. Perhaps they have the sense to realize that > > logic is a useful attribute when discussing this sort of thing. Or perhaps they > > all share Aramithris' opinion, and so none of them see the need to voice it. > > I'm not going to be silent anymore... I don't have to add to your well > written letter, Korderellin. You hit the nail on Amtgard's head... > > I call on my fellow CK members to UNITE, damnit! Stop complaining, just > DO IT! > > Maeve O'Mallory > Celestial Kingdom > Squired to Sir Shon McGregor, one of the new knights who DESERVED his > belt!!!! From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:12 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2GNSGZ2Y88ZIYBP@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:16:10 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id PAA09790 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:07:04 -0600 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:07:25 -0600 (MDT) From: Sir Aramithris Subject: Burning Lands Demoes in October Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f I was going to send this to the Announce list, but Ivar was just called into a dig in Mexico, and this information needs to go out now. So, here it is: A. October 3 Demo at the KJ-Con Game Expo and Fair- We have a demo that requires 20 well garbed Amtgarders. It is at the Airport Holiday Inn which is at Airport I-10 and Airway Blvd., 6655 Gateway West. The demo runs from ten a.m. to noon. B. October 31 Demo for the City of El Paso City Parks and Recreation Project Outreach. This is on Hugo Meyer Park at Washington Park which is at 4201 Paisano Drive. Go south on Copia, left on Paisano, then left on either Boone, Evergreen or Washington. As this demo starts at 3:00 p.m., Burning Lands will move its battlegames to Washington park for this day. Garb is required. All Amtgarders are invited to both demoes. -in service, Aramithris, king of the Burning Lands From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:12 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2GPUC3BUO8ZHVH9@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:14:57 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA09963 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 16:00:38 -0600 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 16:00:59 -0600 (MDT) From: Sir Aramithris Subject: 6.1 CK rules volunteer Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Cc: celestial@mlists.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f This email may seem strange, but I've been sick and haven't had time to read all of the hatemail... . Assuming Celestial Kingdom ends up still being a kingdom, we still have a slot open for a member of CK who wants to work on the 6.1 rules committee (and it is work). There are a couple of requirements: 1. Must be skilled in the Rules of Play 6.0 2. It is preferable I have worked with you before, but that is not an absolute necessity 3. Must be patient and also willing to come through on assigned projects 4. Also, if the idea of the name Aramithris makes your blood boil, or if you want to tar and feather the Amtgard Board of Directors or if you are xenophobic towards any other kingdom, they I advise you don't apply ;) After all, we are going to have to work with each other. Also, I have only one volunteer from VSR, a certain Ian of Shadowvale (did I spell that right?). Does anyone have his email, or for that matter, are there other volunteers from VSR? Basically, with the Quadracentennial Renfaire, Clan XVI and this reign almost done, we are going to have more time for other projects. It would probably be easier to send me private email here for those who respond. Thankyou for your time. -Aramithris, Amtgard B.O.D. From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:12 1998 Return-path: Received: from findmail.com (m3.findmail.com) by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with SMTP id <01J2GQLJKY748ZGZYI@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:36:16 CST Received: (qmail 26939 invoked by uid 505); Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:35:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 23447 invoked by uid 7770); Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:35:27 +0000 Received: from sparky.ic.sunysb.edu (tmuram@129.49.12.171) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:35:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (tmuram@localhost) by sparky.ic.sunysb.edu (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id SAA04471; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:35:07 -0400 (EDT) X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/farwoods-l/ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:35:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Talia M Muram Subject: [farwoods-l] Re: Iron Mountains In-reply-to: <199810012059.OAA00080@mail2.rockymtn.net> X-Sender: tmuram@sparky To: Douglas Mallory Cc: farwoods-l@makelist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: list Delivered-to: listsaver-findlist-farwoods-l@makelist.com Mailing-List: contact farwoods-l-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: farwoods-l@egroups.com X-Authentication-warning: sparky.ic.sunysb.edu: tmuram owned process doing -bs ANYONE WHO CAN FIGHT WITH A 12 FOOT POLEARM IS TALENTED!! Six and a half is hard enough. Hello everyone. Greetings from Stony Brook, New York. The new AMTGard shire up here is gaining interest around campus. I'm scheduled to meet with someone in the SCA. I'm hoping to recruit some new people from there. Besides that, I've wormed my way into the gaming society. We are soon to get started on VAMPIRE. Should be good. Also, for those who are interested, I'll be turning a legal age as of December 9, and I just bought new garb today. I'd a swede leather halter-top. So how many of you are taking a road trip to come fight with us? Should be good!! On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, Douglas Mallory wrote: If anyone has any advice on getting this new group started or study tips for me so that I can pass a reves exam, you are more then welcome to share. Well, I have to get back to studing Organic. I have an exam in two hours. Wish me luck. The Lady Fizzgig of clan MacMuffin PS I miss you guys!! PPS Killian, my dearest, ....that's for you.....I also found a store that you have to see when you get up here. You'll go crazy!!!!!!! It's AMTGard HEAVEN!!!! Bye. ~Tal > Hello from beautiful Colorado! > I'm here, I have email access again - still to dmallory@shire.net but I can > read it. > > My observations on IM: > > 1. Killraven uses at least a 12 foot pole-arm.. I think he's a chicken. :) > 2. Minus that 12 footer, bridge battles are a blast. > 3. Yup, they ditch a great deal. And it's fun. > 4. Northen Holdfast is a blast. They do battle games, too. > 5. My sword tip is legal. Raquet balls aren't really appreciated. > 6. My throwing hammer: "Wow, an actual hammer shaped hammer." However, > it's illegal. No cores allowed in any throwing weapon but arrows and > javelins. But I can use it, since it's so damn safe. > 7. Hands on any weapon are safe. > 8. My glaive, formerly and IFGS quarterstaff, two years old, after > traveling 1200 miles, snapped the first day out. > 9. 6'10" kite rod spars are available! > 10.*** "tip" "off weapon" "off shield" "light" just aren't called. You > get hit, you take a wound. > 11. I'm not getting my ass kicked too baddly, aside from the high knight > density. No, I'm far from great, but our skill level can survive okay. > 12. Will be PC'ing or NPC'ing a game of GEAS this weekend. GEAS was > formerly known as IFGARD... that should explain it. I'll let you know how > it works out! > 13. Garb is mostly simple tunics, shirts, and wrap pants. There's quite a > lot of ornamentation on top of the gard - much applique... > 14. Dragonmaster is next weekend - but after seeing Olympiad, you can form > your own opinions. > 15. How did we do at Olympiad? > > (What? Jeff reads this list? Whoops... ignore that first comment.) :) > > > More later, > > > - > Douglas Mallory > aka Brennan of the Farwoods > - > "Microsoft patents ones, zeros" > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Subscribe, unsubscribe, opt for a daily digest, or start a new e-group > at http://www.eGroups.com -- Free Web-based e-mail groups. > ______________________________________________________________________ Subscribe, unsubscribe, opt for a daily digest, or start a new e-group at http://www.eGroups.com -- Free Web-based e-mail groups. From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:13 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2GRG41YAO8ZI14Y@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:00:44 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA10183 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 16:47:03 -0600 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 16:47:21 -0600 (MDT) From: Sir Aramithris Subject: Re: Olympiad Results! In-reply-to: <3611462E.2133FF41@eramp.net> Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: Esther Strohmeyer Cc: amtgard-l , Claw List , Celestial Kingdom List , Wetlands List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Kayrana, thanks for the final results, I'll type them into the Amtgard history. Thanks. -Aramithris From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:13 1998 Return-path: Received: from findmail.com (m3.findmail.com) by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with SMTP id <01J2GT3YSSCW8ZH41R@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:48:12 CST Received: (qmail 1131 invoked by uid 505); Thu, 01 Oct 1998 23:48:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 2978 invoked by uid 7770); Thu, 01 Oct 1998 23:48:46 +0000 Received: from mail8.geocities.com (HELO geocities.com) (209.1.224.42) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 23:48:46 +0000 Received: from geocities.com (pool-207-205-238-164.atln.grid.net [207.205.238.164]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA18176 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 16:48:35 -0700 (PDT) X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/farwoods-l/ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:50:49 -0500 From: Brad Rademacher Subject: [farwoods-l] Re: Iron Mountains To: "farwoods-l@makelist.com" Reply-to: khirsah@geocities.com Message-id: <36141558.A4E8AF3C@geocities.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Delivered-to: listsaver-findlist-farwoods-l@makelist.com Mailing-List: contact farwoods-l-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: farwoods-l@egroups.com References: I will see you in a couple weeks milady. I'll try to stay sane until then. Let me know what weapons you want me to bring. Look forward to seeing you..........in the halter. Killian Talia M Muram wrote: > ANYONE WHO CAN FIGHT WITH A 12 FOOT POLEARM IS TALENTED!! Six and a half > is hard enough. > > Hello everyone. Greetings from Stony Brook, New York. The new AMTGard > shire up here is gaining interest around campus. I'm scheduled to meet > with someone in the SCA. I'm hoping to recruit some new people from there. > Besides that, I've wormed my way into the gaming society. We are soon to > get started on VAMPIRE. Should be good. > > Also, for those who are interested, I'll be turning a legal age as of > December 9, and I just bought new garb today. I'd a swede leather > halter-top. So how many of you are taking a road trip to come fight with > us? Should be good!! > > On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, Douglas Mallory wrote: > > If anyone has any advice on getting this new group started or study tips > for me so that I can pass a reves exam, you are more then welcome to > share. Well, I have to get back to studing Organic. I have an exam in two > hours. Wish me luck. > > The Lady Fizzgig of clan MacMuffin > > PS I miss you guys!! > PPS Killian, my dearest, ....that's for you.....I also found a store > that you have to see when you get up here. You'll go crazy!!!!!!! It's > AMTGard HEAVEN!!!! > > Bye. > ~Tal > > > Hello from beautiful Colorado! > > I'm here, I have email access again - still to dmallory@shire.net but I can > > read it. > > > > My observations on IM: > > > > 1. Killraven uses at least a 12 foot pole-arm.. I think he's a chicken. :) > > 2. Minus that 12 footer, bridge battles are a blast. > > 3. Yup, they ditch a great deal. And it's fun. > > 4. Northen Holdfast is a blast. They do battle games, too. > > 5. My sword tip is legal. Raquet balls aren't really appreciated. > > 6. My throwing hammer: "Wow, an actual hammer shaped hammer." However, > > it's illegal. No cores allowed in any throwing weapon but arrows and > > javelins. But I can use it, since it's so damn safe. > > 7. Hands on any weapon are safe. > > 8. My glaive, formerly and IFGS quarterstaff, two years old, after > > traveling 1200 miles, snapped the first day out. > > 9. 6'10" kite rod spars are available! > > 10.*** "tip" "off weapon" "off shield" "light" just aren't called. You > > get hit, you take a wound. > > 11. I'm not getting my ass kicked too baddly, aside from the high knight > > density. No, I'm far from great, but our skill level can survive okay. > > 12. Will be PC'ing or NPC'ing a game of GEAS this weekend. GEAS was > > formerly known as IFGARD... that should explain it. I'll let you know how > > it works out! > > 13. Garb is mostly simple tunics, shirts, and wrap pants. There's quite a > > lot of ornamentation on top of the gard - much applique... > > 14. Dragonmaster is next weekend - but after seeing Olympiad, you can form > > your own opinions. > > 15. How did we do at Olympiad? > > > > (What? Jeff reads this list? Whoops... ignore that first comment.) :) > > > > > > More later, > > > > > > - > > Douglas Mallory > > aka Brennan of the Farwoods > > - > > "Microsoft patents ones, zeros" > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > Subscribe, unsubscribe, opt for a daily digest, or start a new e-group > > at http://www.eGroups.com -- Free Web-based e-mail groups. > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Subscribe, unsubscribe, opt for a daily digest, or start a new e-group > at http://www.eGroups.com -- Free Web-based e-mail groups. ______________________________________________________________________ Subscribe, unsubscribe, opt for a daily digest, or start a new e-group at http://www.eGroups.com -- Free Web-based e-mail groups. From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:13 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2GYP92HSG8ZIMGE@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:28:08 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id UAA10639 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:18:31 -0600 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:09:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Andralaine@aol.com Subject: Re: [CK] September 1998 B.O.D. Minutes Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: sulkrist@juno.com Cc: SkeevenMac@aol.com, amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <627d6c33.361435f4@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f In a message dated 10/1/98 12:22:23 PM Mountain Daylight Time, sulkrist@juno.com writes: << On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:20:26 EDT Andralaine@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 9/29/98 7:25:07 PM Mountain Daylight Time, >sulkrist@juno.com writes: > ><< >Even the USA which most of us get to play this wonderful game on >has > that exact law. No one may accept a title from another land. > > Tell that to Norman Schwarzkopf, a Knight of the Order of Bath. > >> > >Yes he was knighted.......but in England's so called Copora, anyone >knighted who is not English may NOT use the title SIR before there name in >anything written. > Yes I know, but the fact he is a Knight stands. __________________________ >> Never said he wasn't a knight........... From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:13 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2GYQ42M008ZILOE@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:28:50 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id UAA10663 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:25:02 -0600 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 21:19:46 -0500 From: Wyndi Tindle Subject: New E-mail Address Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: "Amtgard List (E-mail)" Message-id: <01BDED81.380297A0@max7-63.ghg.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f For those of you who have me listed as a contact, etc. on your various pages & such, please note that my AOHell account is going inactive and that from now on, my permanent address is this one, Topknot@dnut.com Please make the necessary changes. Thanks! Topknot * We are all the same it seems, behind the eyes * * Broken promises and dreams in good disguise * * All we're really looking for is somewhere safe and warm * * The shelter of each other in the storm * - Amy Grant From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:13 1998 Return-path: Received: from findmail.com (m3.findmail.com) by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with SMTP id <01J2GZS9U5IO8ZGTQ4@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:59:35 CST Received: (qmail 30222 invoked by uid 505); Fri, 02 Oct 1998 02:58:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 11149 invoked by uid 7770); Fri, 02 Oct 1998 02:58:41 +0000 Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (205.152.80.21) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 02:58:41 +0000 Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-214-112-108.bna.bellsouth.net [209.214.112.108]) by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA08791 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:58:38 -0400 (EDT) X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/farwoods-l/ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:08:09 -0500 From: Michael Conway Subject: [farwoods-l] One Last Attempt To: Farwoods-l Message-id: <36144397.A87ED93E@bellsouth.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Delivered-to: listsaver-findlist-farwoods-l@makelist.com Mailing-List: contact farwoods-l-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: farwoods-l@egroups.com Ok everybody, I am going to try one last time to persuade you all to go to Dragon's Rage 3. I hadn't looked at the Schedual until recently, so this was news to me too. I'm sure you knew that they were having a masqurade ball and an A&S competition, but did you know they were having dance lessons? Did you know about the Bar Room Brawl? I'm sure you also knew that it is the biggest quest in all of Amtgard. Come on, let's show them what Tennessians are made of!!!! Sincerely, Andrew MacAulay P.S. In case the females do not remember, I am now single and will be needing a dance partner ; ) LOL ______________________________________________________________________ Subscribe, unsubscribe, opt for a daily digest, or start a new e-group at http://www.eGroups.com -- Free Web-based e-mail groups. From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:14 1998 Return-path: Received: from findmail.com (m3.findmail.com) by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with SMTP id <01J2H0AZX8C08ZEG54@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:13:54 CST Received: (qmail 2225 invoked by uid 505); Fri, 02 Oct 1998 03:11:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 18307 invoked by uid 7770); Fri, 02 Oct 1998 03:10:59 +0000 Received: from f140.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.251.19) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 03:10:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 23451 invoked by uid 0); Fri, 02 Oct 1998 03:10:47 +0000 Received: from 141.225.224.32 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:10:45 -0700 (PDT) X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/farwoods-l/ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:10:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathryn Dean Subject: [farwoods-l] Re: Iron Mountains/Olympiad To: farwoods-l@makelist.com Message-id: <19981002031047.23450.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: list Delivered-to: listsaver-findlist-farwoods-l@makelist.com Mailing-List: contact farwoods-l-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: farwoods-l@egroups.com X-Originating-IP: [141.225.224.32] Brennen: I'm glad to hear you made it! Sorry we missed your call the other night. We were searching for Olympiad news. We are on pins and needles because we had to leave before the results were tallied:(. Karyana promises, though, that the results will be put on the Olympiad site soon. Brennen & Everyone Else: Olympiad was...well...I'm not sure what it was. It had its bad points: Twenty hours in a car. Ten million hungry mosquitoes--no, not mosquitoes. Flying Nosferatu in full frenzy, actually. There were about two dozen of them sealed in the car with us while we slept. Even five days later, and I sill look like I have some vile infectious disease. 500% humidity. If you thought Memphis was bad, you've got a thing or two to learn about the art of Amtgarding underwater. There's a reason it is called the Wetlands. (By the way, don't ever type www.thewetlands.com when you mean www.thewetlands.org.--trust me, there's a difference.) Despite the physical discomforts, we had a lot of fun. The bardic was unbelieveable! There were many fantastic singers, and even the ones that weren't professional quality had a great attitude. There were instrumental entries, and oratories and even a bellydancing entry (I've never seen a live bellydance before. Funny that my first should be performed by a man:). The Amtgard Puppet Pals was such a hit that the puppeteer was commanded to perform again at the feast before the nobles and royals. The crowd was enthusiastic and supportive, but there were times that the performers were drown out by nearby conversations and fighting. As for the non-bardic A&S, well, let's just say that I severely underestimated the competition. The FarWoods entries were on par with the better works of the contest, but we by no means blew them away. 2D art was flooded, Court garb was flooded, weapons and armor construction were pretty strong. We did, however, comprise half of the needlework category, and probably 3/4 of the photography category. I don't know how many written entries there were, but Valendar probably made up a good portion of them. There were two other IMers there, Cedric and Michael Hammer of God. It was nice to know that The IM had at least five people there to represent our kingdom. I believe Cedric took third in one of the warskill categories, and MHoG took at least one place (I think...it's hard to remember with all that bloodloss...). Nobody jugged:(. The facilities rocked, however. There was a huge pre-fab steel roof over an immense field of soft soil/sand for the warskill competition, and many bleachers all around the arena. The feast was amazing. The William Marshall Feast by Twilight Dancing is still the best feast I've ever had. It was amazingly varied, delicious, and abundant; but the feast at Olympiad was extremely efficient. Roger's Raiders (a Wetlands fighting company) served many many people more efficiently, courteously, and attentively than I've ever been served at a restaurant. Not five minutes would pass without someone refilling glasses, bringing more bread, more ribs, dessert or side dishes. The food was hot, it wasn't burned, and there was more than enough to go around. Court was fun. It was loud and roudy, and we got to witness the knightings of two new knights of the Flame. All in all, I'm glad I went. Oh, and I chopped off all my hair the day after I got back.:) Thren ______________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ Subscribe, unsubscribe, opt for a daily digest, or start a new e-group at http://www.eGroups.com -- Free Web-based e-mail groups. From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:14 1998 Return-path: Received: from findmail.com (m3.findmail.com) by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with SMTP id <01J2H4U5V30G8ZJ5IQ@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:23:53 CST Received: (qmail 23311 invoked by uid 505); Fri, 02 Oct 1998 05:24:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 12711 invoked by uid 7770); Fri, 02 Oct 1998 05:24:25 +0000 Received: from mail.bna.bellsouth.net (205.152.80.21) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 05:24:25 +0000 Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-214-112-108.bna.bellsouth.net [209.214.112.108]) by mail.bna.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA28382 for ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 01:24:21 -0400 (EDT) X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/farwoods-l/ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 00:33:53 -0500 From: Michael Conway Subject: [farwoods-l] Re: Iron Mountains/Olympiad To: farwoods-l@makelist.com Message-id: <361465BE.96C9A401@bellsouth.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Delivered-to: listsaver-findlist-farwoods-l@makelist.com Mailing-List: contact farwoods-l-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: farwoods-l@egroups.com References: <19981002031047.23450.qmail@hotmail.com> Sounds like it was pretty cool, but I just had to make a correction. Roger's Raiders are actually a multi-Kingdom company that was originated in the CK. I am a former member, this is why I am defending them. I don't like the Wetlands much, so I have to defend my company LOL. Kathryn Dean wrote: > Brennen: I'm glad to hear you made it! Sorry we missed your call the > other night. We were searching for Olympiad news. We are on pins and > needles because we had to leave before the results were tallied:(. > Karyana promises, though, that the results will be put on the Olympiad > site soon. > > Brennen & Everyone Else: Olympiad was...well...I'm not sure what it was. > It had its bad points: > Twenty hours in a car. > Ten million hungry mosquitoes--no, not mosquitoes. Flying Nosferatu in > full frenzy, actually. There were about two dozen of them sealed in > the car with us while we slept. Even five days later, and I sill > look like I have some vile infectious disease. > 500% humidity. If you thought Memphis was bad, you've got a thing or > two to learn about the art of Amtgarding underwater. There's a > reason it is called the Wetlands. (By the way, don't ever type > www.thewetlands.com when you mean www.thewetlands.org.--trust me, > there's a difference.) > > Despite the physical discomforts, we had a lot of fun. > The bardic was unbelieveable! There were many fantastic singers, and > even the ones that weren't professional quality had a great attitude. > There were instrumental entries, and oratories and even a bellydancing > entry (I've never seen a live bellydance before. Funny that my first > should be performed by a man:). The Amtgard Puppet Pals was such a hit > that the puppeteer was commanded to perform again at the feast before > the nobles and royals. The crowd was enthusiastic and supportive, but > there were times that the performers were drown out by nearby > conversations and fighting. > As for the non-bardic A&S, well, let's just say that I severely > underestimated the competition. The FarWoods entries were on par with > the better works of the contest, but we by no means blew them away. 2D > art was flooded, Court garb was flooded, weapons and armor construction > were pretty strong. We did, however, comprise half of the needlework > category, and probably 3/4 of the photography category. I don't know how > many written entries there were, but Valendar probably made up a good > portion of them. > There were two other IMers there, Cedric and Michael Hammer of God. It > was nice to know that The IM had at least five people there to represent > our kingdom. I believe Cedric took third in one of the warskill > categories, and MHoG took at least one place (I think...it's hard to > remember with all that bloodloss...). Nobody jugged:(. The facilities > rocked, however. There was a huge pre-fab steel roof over an immense > field of soft soil/sand for the warskill competition, and many bleachers > all around the arena. The feast was amazing. The William Marshall Feast > by Twilight Dancing is still the best feast I've ever had. It was > amazingly varied, delicious, and abundant; but the feast at Olympiad was > extremely efficient. Roger's Raiders (a Wetlands fighting company) > served many many people more efficiently, courteously, and attentively > than I've ever been served at a restaurant. Not five minutes would pass > without someone refilling glasses, bringing more bread, more ribs, > dessert or side dishes. The food was hot, it wasn't burned, and there > was more than enough to go around. > Court was fun. It was loud and roudy, and we got to witness the > knightings of two new knights of the Flame. > All in all, I'm glad I went. > > Oh, and I chopped off all my hair the day after I got back.:) > > Thren > > ______________________________________________________ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Subscribe, unsubscribe, opt for a daily digest, or start a new e-group > at http://www.eGroups.com -- Free Web-based e-mail groups. ______________________________________________________________________ Subscribe, unsubscribe, opt for a daily digest, or start a new e-group at http://www.eGroups.com -- Free Web-based e-mail groups. From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:14 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2H79UL8WG8ZG608@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 01:33:48 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id AAA11415 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 00:29:21 -0600 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 00:29:40 -0600 (MDT) From: Sir Aramithris Subject: The B.O.D. In-reply-to: <199809291537.LAA06097@in.flite.net> Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: "Andrew A. Apold" Cc: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by horus.anth.utep.edu id AAA11413 X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Alessandra, like you, Roger, is a pure soul, and that entails a lot of emotions. Being responsible for people, ie, being in office, means being caring, but also rational, and knowing the facts. Alessandra has totally violated that, and frankly, screwed her King and the person who has totally supported her. But then again, for me to react emotionally makes me just as bad as the people who would bring Amtgard down, doesn't it? I have to admit I am wrong on this, and I apologize, Sir Roger, and Sir Alessandra, if you would have me back, I would have you back. I am sorry. -King Aramithris of ALL the Lands that Burn On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >And frankly, Alessandra, I think maybe I should withdraw my consideration > >for you on BOD. > > As the other person you were considering, I ask that you not do this. > She was just asking a question. > > ============================================ > While outside on the Turnpike > They've got this new hit tune > Thrills become as cheap as gas > and gas as cheap as thrills. > > - "Before the Kiss (A Redcap)" > by Blue Öyster Cult > > > -AAA > > > > > From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:14 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2HN3QHBCG8ZIHMO@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:07:01 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id HAA12322 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 07:57:07 -0600 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:53:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Andralaine@aol.com Subject: Re: The B.O.D. Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: aramith@thoth.anth.utep.edu, mordru@flite.net Cc: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <1f16d2b7.3614dae7@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f In a message dated 10/2/98 12:28:14 AM Mountain Daylight Time, aramith@thoth.anth.utep.edu writes: << Alessandra, like you, Roger, is a pure soul, and that entails a lot of emotions. Being responsible for people, ie, being in office, means being caring, but also rational, and knowing the facts. Alessandra has totally violated that, and frankly, screwed her King and the person who has totally supported her. But then again, for me to react emotionally makes me just as bad as the people who would bring Amtgard down, doesn't it? I have to admit I am wrong on this, and I apologize, Sir Roger, and Sir Alessandra, if you would have me back, I would have you back. I am sorry. -King Aramithris of ALL the Lands that Burn On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >And frankly, Alessandra, I think maybe I should withdraw my consideration > >for you on BOD. > >> WHAT? What?? Screwed what King???? Alessandra? Give me a break. JW, your above statement made absolutely no sence. Knowing facts? We'll JW, I have caught you in too many fact wrongs. Where does that leave you??? Who did you screw??? Caring is wrong? In your eyes? Have you back? Back from what? DOH????? My 2 senses........sight and touch (bad feeling I'm getting) From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:15 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2HNOJ99A88ZIZWM@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:23:46 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id IAA12396 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 08:18:00 -0600 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 10:14:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Allydor@aol.com Subject: Re: The B.O.D. Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: aramith@thoth.anth.utep.edu Cc: amtgard-l@amtgard.com, Celestial@mlists.net, EH-list@flail.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Your Majesty, If you feel I have violated you and screwed you and that I am trying to bring Amtgard down...I apologize for that. I asked a question...reading the now copora would not have answered the question. I asked when did that get put into the copora. I realize now that my asking that question pulled attention away from what your point was hence the feeling of betrayal and anger. Again I apologize. Yes all should know what is in the copora when they go into office...hence copora test to qualify to run for the monarchy. People do make mistakes...people do at times let their emotions govern their decision without combing rules and regulations before taking actions. Not only on this public forum but when a ruler makes a decision to award/knight...whatever. Hopefully this is a warning to all monarchs out there and all monarchs to come....follow your coporas unfailingly or throw your lands and Amtgard into chaos...now that that warning is drilled into everyones heads what happens now? There is obviously so much more to this whole issue then what we the public are privy to. I personally wish people would agree on the numbers and when they happened. Princess Wynd posted who the CK Knights in FT's reigns were...and they do not come close to the 14 knights in 12 weeks that you quoted to the IM list. If I'm wrong on what she posted I ask it be resent to me since I have deleted it...for some reason the number 6 comes to mind. I for one would like to know the facts. (And there seems to be more to this then numbers.) Why? because myself and others on the list are not privy to them....we are only privy to what you the monarchs deceid to post. And frankly when things are posted as they have been then fear, anger and dread arise. So, if you and others would like us to stay out of these issues and quit grasping at straws....then please post them privately to each other and not to the list where we all wonder and everyone throws out their opinions on what very little is said.....but that very little is enough to throw things into chaos. Hopefully once again I am not making things worse. And I ask that any further insults be directed at me privately because when done publicly it detracts some if not completely from what the issue you are addressing is. And your Majesty...J.....I never turned away from you. You are my friend and always will be ...you know that I love you....it is in my nature to question what I do not fully understand or agree with....it is this issue I question. It is this issue that I do not agree with based on the information that has been put on the lists. And I don't believe seeking facts and clarifications should be considered a betrayal. It truly is not meant to be one. I think both sides should be completely honest about all of what is happening...no more intrigue. Please. So...any chance of moving up the BOD meeting or both sides telling us all the facts...any takers eh eh ????? :0 Alessandra PS. and as I was telling someone the other day :) my happy thought is that there are amtgardians out there playing that aren't on the lists...that have no idea what all the political stuff is going on...and that they are out there having a good time...fighting, laughing, singing, playing together....oh that we could all always feel that magic....it might be hard to at times...but close your eyes and try really hard....sometimes you get what you wish for :) {{{{{hugs}}}}} << Alessandra, like you, Roger, is a pure soul, and that entails a lot of emotions. Being responsible for people, ie, being in office, means being caring, but also rational, and knowing the facts. Alessandra has totally violated that, and frankly, screwed her King and the person who has totally supported her. But then again, for me to react emotionally makes me just as bad as the people who would bring Amtgard down, doesn't it? I have to admit I am wrong on this, and I apologize, Sir Roger, and Sir Alessandra, if you would have me back, I would have you back. I am sorry. -King Aramithris of ALL the Lands that Burn From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:15 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2HQALC0OW8ZJ2U3@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:38:20 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id JAA12574 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:29:00 -0600 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:27:07 +0000 (America/Fort_Wayne) From: Jaeden Dracul Ben-Israel of Ironwolf Subject: Re: [Re: The B.O.D.] Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19981002152707.26868.qmail@www0g.netaddress.usa.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f > > Alessandra > > > PS. and as I was telling someone the other day :) my happy thought is that > there are amtgardians out there playing that aren't on the lists...that have > no idea what all the political stuff is going on...and that they are out there > having a good time...fighting, laughing, singing, playing together....oh that > we could all always feel that magic....it might be hard to at times...but > close your eyes and try really hard....sometimes you get what you wish for :) > > {{{{{hugs}}}}} Well, when I am one of the few that see the politics and have this SIMPLE: philosophy: "Screw that, let's ditch" If more followed that motto, then harmony could be achieved! ;P ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:15 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2I0Q7YZ0090LVB1@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:37:01 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA13124 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:19:27 -0600 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 16:16:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Allydor@aol.com Subject: RE: B.O.D Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: Andralaine@aol.com Cc: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <7d13d7d8.361534ab@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Dear Andralaine and anyone else that gets offended by what was said to me.... Thank you for defending me, but lets please all try to get thru this without any more ugliness and lets expect the issues at hand to get straightened up soon. When the people who usually post funny light things to the list start talking like the rest of us its way past time to stop. With light, Alessandra WHAT? What?? Screwed what King???? Alessandra? Give me a break. JW, your above statement made absolutely no sence. Knowing facts? We'll JW, I have caught you in too many fact wrongs. Where does that leave you??? Who did you screw??? Caring is wrong? In your eyes? Have you back? Back from what? DOH????? My 2 senses........sight and touch (bad feeling I'm getting) From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:15 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2ICI7NAF48ZKHN1@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:14:07 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id UAA13803 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 20:10:57 -0600 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 16:10:56 -0700 From: "Matthew \"X\" Reinker" Subject: Re: [CK] All Day, All Knight (sorta long) In-reply-to: <81b323e1.360fd690@aol.com> Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: celestial@mLists.net, amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f At 11:33 AM -0700 9/28/1998, Allydor@aol.com wrote: >I am sure there are Knights out there doing some of this all >ready....but I think it would be a good thing to discuss and write up and set >into action. And if there were weekly/biweekly/monthly classes the knights >could rotate and take turns or if the class were big all that could help >should show. > I have hosted many Arts and Science classes at my place. Unfortunatly the turn-out is never what I hope for. Many a times, no one will show. Very frustrating. Ah well, I never learn. The next reign will prolly have even more A&S classes. Hopefully, better attended. Sir Tyric Knight of the Serpent. _______________________________________________________________________________ Tyric Magnasson Matthew "X" Reinker "We live for the One, we die for the One" axe@pnn.com ------------------------- http://www.pnn.com/~axe ----------------------------- From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:16 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2IAEDSFVK8ZJVLF@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:13:46 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id TAA13649 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 19:09:01 -0600 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 18:06:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Valdemar Gillanders Subject: Re: [Re: The B.O.D.] Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com, jdracul@usa.net Message-id: <19981003010638.12524.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [205.188.192.28] X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f >Date: 2 Oct 98 15:27:07 America/Fort_Wayne Greetings from Valdemar!! My response to politics (especially in the SCA) used to be "I'm sorry. How does this affect the beer in my mug??" I remain, Valdemar Gillanders >> Alessandra > >> > >> > >> PS. and as I was telling someone the other day :) my happy thought is that > >> there are amtgardians out there playing that aren't on the lists...that have > >> no idea what all the political stuff is going on...and that they are out >there > >> having a good time...fighting, laughing, singing, playing together....oh >that > >> we could all always feel that magic....it might be hard to at times...but > >> close your eyes and try really hard....sometimes you get what you wish for >:) > >> > >> {{{{{hugs}}}}} > >Well, when I am one of the few that see the politics and have this SIMPLE: >philosophy: "Screw that, let's ditch" If more followed that motto, then >harmony could be achieved! ;P > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:16 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2IDRGHNM88ZJ3X8@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:50:35 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id UAA13907 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 20:47:01 -0600 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 22:42:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Andralaine@aol.com Subject: Re: [CK] Kansuke's Nightly Announcement (Of interest to maybe three of you) Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: kahlanth@rocketmail.com, elktrockn@yahoo.com, darkjester@cobra.ccsi.com, celestial@mLists.net, abenton@texas.net, amtgard-l@amtgard.com Cc: Jeffrey_Webb@dell.com Message-id: <2d77df1b.36158f26@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f In a message dated 10/2/98 8:34:04 PM Mountain Daylight Time, kahlanth@rocketmail.com writes: << HEY!!! Some of us "old farts" plan on being around for awhile. Anxious to get rid of us, are you? ;) >> ...........is an OLD FART and very proud of it. I have told many people that I will be around for the 50th of Amtgard.....OK! So I'll be 80. I may need help getting my House of Pleasure and Pain up and driven back up the hill to my tent, but I will be there with bells on!!! Andralaine, the original OLD FART.......original, cause even back when I joined, I was the oldest one in Amtgard. From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:16 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2IGTFH3I88ZK0YC@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 23:17:41 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id WAA14076 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 22:13:46 -0600 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 23:08:11 -0500 From: Snicker Subject: Amtgard Atlas Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu X-Sender: snicker@pinkpig.com To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com, eh-list@flail.com, ironmtn-l@list.iex.net, vsr-l@netcom.com, mystic@aracnet.com, wetlands-l@thewetlands.org, celestial@mlists.net Message-id: <3.0.5.32.19981002230811.00880be0@pinkpig.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f It's been a long, hard trek, but I think I've finally gotten the Amtgard Atlas somewhere close to complete. Please welcome West Virginia, Virginia, Utah, Arizona, Oklahoma, Ohio, Australia, and many *many* new lands. Texas has been remapped to reflect a ton of changes, fixed some bugs here and there that people pointed out (thanks!!). Congrats to all the new lands (too many to mention this time) - go check out the Atlas!! http://amtgard.pinkpig.com/atlas/ And as always, this Atlas is meaningless without YOUR participation. Some kingdoms are finally catching on to this, I see the Hills are alive, and the CK is sparkling, but some other kingdoms... *hint hint* *nudge nudge* Anyway, remember if you have a new group, updates to an old group, minor typos or major problems - send them directly to me. I am NOT on the Iron Mountains, VSR, or Mystic Seas lists, nor am I aware of a Golden Plains or Goldenvale list. Nevertheless, I trust that the responsible members of those kingdoms who have net access will be happy to bop on over to the atlas and check for errors ;) Oh, and one final note - I know that there are a LOT of you on Juno who may not have access to a web browser. If this is the case, and you wish to check your local listings, please send me a private email, I will do my best to give you a quick rundown. I *cannot* do this for kingdom-level, due to the immense amount of work involved. At last count, I had over 190 "pieces" to the atlas - graphics and pages combined. If someone wants to go all out and count the chapters, please feel free. And Roger, it may be time to redo your trivia list ;) I see some new contenders out there. In all, I shall I always remain: Yours in Service, Snicker Furfoot, Esq. | Live the Dream Keeper of the Atlas | http://amtgard.pinkpig.com/atlas/ Dust Dancer | Dance the Dance Check out the Bard's Guild at http://amtgard.pinkpig.com/bards/ From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:16 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2IILKJU348ZKO6A@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:08:37 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id XAA14186 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 23:05:47 -0600 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 00:57:22 -0400 From: mordru@flite.net (Andrew A. Apold) Subject: Re: Amtgard Atlas Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu X-Sender: mordru@flite.net To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <199810030457.AAA00656@in.flite.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by horus.anth.utep.edu id XAA14184 X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f >At last count, I had over 190 "pieces" to the atlas - graphics and pages >combined. If someone wants to go all out and count the chapters, please >feel free. And Roger, it may be time to redo your trivia list ;) I see >some new contenders out there. What, the shortest, longest, farthest group trivia thing? I suppose Wild Lands has everyone beat in farthest... And they've knocked Silverwater off the "Southernmost" position. I don't have to redo the trivia questions, just the answers .... ============================= "All praise, he's found the awful truth, Balthazar... He's found the saucer news!" - E.T.I. by Blue Öyster Cult -AAA From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:17 1998 Return-path: Received: from findmail.com (m3.findmail.com) by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with SMTP id <01J2IKY05S8W8ZKRD2@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 01:15:54 CST Received: (qmail 25307 invoked by uid 505); Sat, 03 Oct 1998 06:16:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 10541 invoked by uid 7770); Sat, 03 Oct 1998 06:16:31 +0000 Received: from crow.prod.itd.earthlink.net (209.178.63.7) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 06:16:31 +0000 Received: from jeffdeem (sdn-ar-001coauroP262.dialsprint.net [206.133.170.24]) by crow.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA06386 for ; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 23:16:27 -0700 (PDT) X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/farwoods-l/ Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 00:11:54 -0600 From: Jeff Deem Subject: [farwoods-l] Re: Iron Mountains In-reply-to: <199810012059.OAA00080@mail2.rockymtn.net> X-Sender: killraven@pop.a001.sprintmail.com To: Farwoods-l@makelist.com Message-id: <3.0.3.32.19981003001154.0073c990@pop.a001.sprintmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: list Delivered-to: listsaver-findlist-Farwoods-l@makelist.com Mailing-List: contact farwoods-l-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: farwoods-l@egroups.com At 02:51 PM 10/1/98 -0600, you wrote: Chicken eh? You sure know the wrong thing to say:) Killraven ps, Besides its my wife's polearm, and the other one is Jhonus's :) SO THERE! >Hello from beautiful Colorado! >I'm here, I have email access again - still to dmallory@shire.net but I can >read it. > >My observations on IM: > >1. Killraven uses at least a 12 foot pole-arm.. I think he's a chicken. :) >2. Minus that 12 footer, bridge battles are a blast. >3. Yup, they ditch a great deal. And it's fun. >4. Northen Holdfast is a blast. They do battle games, too. >5. My sword tip is legal. Raquet balls aren't really appreciated. >6. My throwing hammer: "Wow, an actual hammer shaped hammer." However, >it's illegal. No cores allowed in any throwing weapon but arrows and >javelins. But I can use it, since it's so damn safe. >7. Hands on any weapon are safe. >8. My glaive, formerly and IFGS quarterstaff, two years old, after >traveling 1200 miles, snapped the first day out. >9. 6'10" kite rod spars are available! >10.*** "tip" "off weapon" "off shield" "light" just aren't called. You >get hit, you take a wound. >11. I'm not getting my ass kicked too baddly, aside from the high knight >density. No, I'm far from great, but our skill level can survive okay. >12. Will be PC'ing or NPC'ing a game of GEAS this weekend. GEAS was >formerly known as IFGARD... that should explain it. I'll let you know how >it works out! >13. Garb is mostly simple tunics, shirts, and wrap pants. There's quite a >lot of ornamentation on top of the gard - much applique... >14. Dragonmaster is next weekend - but after seeing Olympiad, you can form >your own opinions. >15. How did we do at Olympiad? > >(What? Jeff reads this list? Whoops... ignore that first comment.) :) > > >More later, > > > - >Douglas Mallory >aka Brennan of the Farwoods > - >"Microsoft patents ones, zeros" > > >______________________________________________________________________ > >Subscribe, unsubscribe, opt for a daily digest, or start a new e-group >at http://www.eGroups.com -- Free Web-based e-mail groups. > > ______________________________________________________________________ Subscribe, unsubscribe, opt for a daily digest, or start a new e-group at http://www.eGroups.com -- Free Web-based e-mail groups. From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:17 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2IMQPRZ688ZIWJ9@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 02:07:18 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id BAA14449 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 01:00:32 -0600 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 02:56:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Thrythlind@aol.com Subject: Re: [CK] Kansuke's Nightly Announcement (Of interest to maybe three of you) Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: DarkLordFT@aol.com, Andralaine@aol.com, kahlanth@rocketmail.com, elktrockn@yahoo.com, darkjester@cobra.ccsi.com, celestial@mLists.net, abenton@texas.net, amtgard-l@amtgard.com Cc: Jeffrey_Webb@dell.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f In a message dated 10/3/98 1:34:11 AM Central Daylight Time, DarkLordFT@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 10/3/98 2:46:46 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Andralaine@aol.com > writes: > > << > ...........is an OLD FART and very proud of it. I have told many people > that > I will be around for the 50th of Amtgard.....OK! So I'll be 80. I may > need > help getting my House of Pleasure and Pain up and driven back up the hill > to > my tent, but I will be there with bells on!!! > > Andralaine, the original OLD FART.......original, cause even back when I > joined, I was the oldest one in Amtgard. >> > > > ...And I'm getting up there in years too,...well,...I'm trying at least. > And > I will be right there at Andi's side on the 50th anniversary,...well,.maybe > not at her side,...but at the very least,..on my knees in the mud at her > feet. > ;o) > > FT > > PS: She is the ONLY one I do this for. It was how I met her, when her > Amazon > All-Girl Thug Squad whacked me on the head and tossed me at her feet way > back > when in the Burning Lands. ;o) > I don't know that I qualify as an oldtimer, but I seem to be reaching middle aged, I've been talking to high level people who joined about when I went inactive. From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:17 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2J29R9R2O8ZJ285@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 09:31:46 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id IAA15041 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 08:16:20 -0600 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 10:11:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Andralaine@aol.com Subject: Re: [CK] Kansuke's Nightly Announcement (Of interest to maybe three of you) Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: DarkLordFT@aol.com, kahlanth@rocketmail.com, elktrockn@yahoo.com, darkjester@cobra.ccsi.com, celestial@mLists.net, abenton@texas.net, amtgard-l@amtgard.com Cc: Jeffrey_Webb@dell.com Message-id: <9eeedf67.3616309f@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f In a message dated 10/3/98 12:28:39 AM Mountain Daylight Time, DarkLordFT writes: << << ...........is an OLD FART and very proud of it. I have told many people that I will be around for the 50th of Amtgard.....OK! So I'll be 80. I may need help getting my House of Pleasure and Pain up and driven back up the hill to my tent, but I will be there with bells on!!! Andralaine, the original OLD FART.......original, cause even back when I joined, I was the oldest one in Amtgard. >> ...And I'm getting up there in years too,...well,...I'm trying at least. And I will be right there at Andi's side on the 50th anniversary,...well,.maybe not at her side,...but at the very least,..on my knees in the mud at her feet. ;o) FT PS: She is the ONLY one I do this for. It was how I met her, when her Amazon All-Girl Thug Squad whacked me on the head and tossed me at her feet way back when in the Burning Lands. ;o) >> If I'm not walking too good, I'll be right there in the mud with you ...........OOOOO!!! Mud Wrestling!!! LOL From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:18 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2J3C5GD9S8ZKWHH@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 10:02:43 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id IAA15154 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 08:57:46 -0600 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 10:55:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Allydor@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Can't keep a good rant down Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com, IRONMTN-L@LIST.IEX.NET, Celestial@mlists.net, EH-list@flail.com, InlandOcean@onelist.com, mystic@aracnet.com, VSR-l@listbox.com, wetlands-l@thewetlands.org, goldenvale@egroups.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f http://www.slowlink.net Please check out this link. The opinions on it are the owners :). But some of them I found very interesting. Especially the idea of having one centralized place to go check out credits. Yes it only has EH credits on it at this point....but the idea is to have all amtgard credits in one place that anyone could get to to look up. I know PMs past present and future are groaning at this second :), but how many lands out there have missing records??? yes it would be a huge some would think impossible task...but wouldn't it be nice to have??? Especially for those people who move to different lands and then try to get records moved. getting them together would be the huge huge task....how hard is it to update something like that once in place if you just sit down and punch them in weekly/biweekly/monthly ???? I did not ask permission to fwd this on(actually deceided not to fwd ..cut and pasted) sure you can email him from the site :)....but I personally think it is a good idea...I know some lands have a list on line...but are they up to date???? more then likely not...even if all the lands put up there own electronic credit lists...it would be good to have them linked to one place that everyone can get to easily. Also I know some lands don't have complete records...that shouldn't stop anyone...put up what you have...then go from there. I know...easy for me to say :) Alessandra From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:18 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2J941EZ5S8ZJA7Z@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 12:47:58 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id LAA15459 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 11:36:07 -0600 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 13:19:13 -0400 (EDT) From: mordru@flite.net (Andrew A. Apold) Subject: Amtgard 50 years from now Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu X-Sender: mordru@flite.net To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <199810031719.NAA02689@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by horus.anth.utep.edu id LAA15457 X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f In light of some recent message, thought I'd take a look into my crystal ball.... Things to look for: The Senior Jugging Tour (you can join when you turn 50...) Amtgard-Legal Walkers Most popular drink at Clan LXVI: Everclear & Metamucil Dakota attempting to lecture kids on being more responsible.... Corporate Sponsorship for major events: Magic: The Gathering of the Clans Irish Spring War (free soap!) Golden Harvest War (the far eastern film company) Dragon's Rage against the Machine (the band sold out and are now are a record company) The Great Northwest Airlines War (they both are still apologizing) McDonald's Triple-Bypass Midreign. Wintergreen War The 24-hour Sinus Protection battlegame Golden Plains CoroNational Car Rental Event A.R.A.kis Skoalympiad (free chewing Tobacco) Feasts with earlybird specials The Olympiad Hall of Fame Virtual Clan uses real-time satellite photos (in 3-d) for a complete experience. Corsairs develop stealth technology to mask their camp. Iron Mountains finally achieves the Zero-G frictionless antigrav sword (use lanyard). Only problem, no one can tell when they have been hit by it. 50-year old Amtgard rulebook accidentally dropped by Ivar at an archeological dig and subsequently buried is "discovered" in Belize. Grandfather Thomas 6.1 rulebook finally comes out (hehheh, just kidding) ============================================ While outside on the Turnpike They've got this new hit tune Thrills become as cheap as gas and gas as cheap as thrills. - "Before the Kiss (A Redcap)" by Blue Öyster Cult -AAA From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:18 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2J97YRB5S8ZJ8OZ@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 12:51:08 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id LAA15469 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 11:37:37 -0600 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 13:19:20 -0400 (EDT) From: mordru@flite.net (Andrew A. Apold) Subject: Re: Fwd: Can't keep a good rant down Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu X-Sender: mordru@flite.net To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <199810031719.NAA02692@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by horus.anth.utep.edu id LAA15466 X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f >http://www.slowlink.net > >Please check out this link. The opinions on it are the owners :). > >But some of them I found very interesting. > >Especially the idea of having one centralized place to go check out credits. >Yes it only has EH credits on it at this point....but the idea is to have all >amtgard credits in one place that anyone could get to to look up. etc... This would be a huge task, and someone from every group would have to be able to access it to update their group's records... I keep my records on-line, have for some time now, and it's a pain to update, occasionally miss a week but have managed to keep them up to date most of the time (knock on wood)... I have managed to streamline my process dumping the output from my weeks spreadsheet into straight html (it supports this), then making a few formatting changes. Still takes about an hour from sign-in sheet to new page every week (well, this includes trying to read people's writing, entering stuff for the week, updating their totals, adding new people if need be, etc.).... I need something I can FTP to quickly, and my local site is a lot easier to reach... perhaps provide links to other spots where people keep theirs? ============================================ While outside on the Turnpike They've got this new hit tune Thrills become as cheap as gas and gas as cheap as thrills. - "Before the Kiss (A Redcap)" by Blue Öyster Cult -AAA From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:19 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2J8T2NC2O8ZIHNE@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 12:39:08 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id LAA15428 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 11:25:35 -0600 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 10:23:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Penguine 101 Subject: Dragons Rage II Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19981003172301.23861.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [206.154.2.3] X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f DRII is close at hand, 7 days away. Hope to see a great group of Amtgardians out there. This event is looking to be the best, well at least better than DR I, event the Barony of Dragons Keep has put on. Come out and support this event, The biggest and best in the South East. Well, thats pretty much all I got to say. Ill be sitting Troll both duties, so Im sure Ill see a lot of you. Acada Blackheart ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:19 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2JBC7365C8ZIKSH@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 13:51:49 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA15663 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 12:41:41 -0600 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 14:31:11 -0400 (EDT) From: mordru@flite.net (Andrew A. Apold) Subject: Re: Dragons Rage II Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu X-Sender: mordru@flite.net To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <199810031831.OAA03046@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by horus.anth.utep.edu id MAA15661 X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f >DRII is close at hand, 7 days away. Hope to see a great group of >Amtgardians out there. This event is looking to be the best, well at >least better than DR I, event the Barony of Dragons Keep has put on. >Come out and support this event, The biggest and best in the South East. > >Well, thats pretty much all I got to say. Ill be sitting Troll both >duties, so Im sure Ill see a lot of you. Errr.. you mean Dragon's Rage III, right? And better than DR II and DR I... Don't worry, I'll be there. Roger, who still has his laminated pass from DRI. ============================================ While outside on the Turnpike They've got this new hit tune Thrills become as cheap as gas and gas as cheap as thrills. - "Before the Kiss (A Redcap)" by Blue Öyster Cult -AAA From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:19 1998 Return-path: Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2JB17NOKG8ZJLJ7@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 13:42:57 CST Received: from RSeth10900@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3ZCBa02082 for ; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 14:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 14:43:04 -0400 (EDT) From: RSeth10900@aol.com Subject: Hexen???? To: mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU Message-id: <71381de2.36167038@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 167 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello, I would just like to say what a great job you have done on the ID Heritic net book. I was going to convert the thing myself but was so overwhelmed by the prospect that I gave it up. What and huge task of conversion and time consumption. Well, I downloaded your netbook but was wondering when you plan on having the Hexen book out. I downloaded a version of your Heritic/Hexen handbook from some other web sight but the Hexen portion of the handbook was not finished. Well, I think it was your handbook, it all seemed the same as the stuff on your sight. I am really looking forward to the full version of the Hexen handbook, as it has better weapons the Heretic I think. Also have you ever played Which Haven 1 and 2 from capstone. These are truly great games I believe they are even better than Id's stuff. They are loaded with a wealth of info and ideas for AD&D. I think the company that made the game,"Capstone" is out of business but you still can find the games almost anywhere. Well, thanks for the hard work and I hope I can use the stuff in my game in the future. Sincerley Ryan Sethman From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:20 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2JK688DN48ZELRT@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:04:18 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA16142 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 16:56:05 -0600 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 18:52:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Allydor@aol.com Subject: Re: [CK] Fwd: Can't keep a good rant down Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: matt@civicpride.com Cc: amtgard-l@amtgard.com, IRONMTN-L@LIST.IEX.NET, Celestial@mLists.net, EH-list@flail.com, InlandOcean@onelist.com, mystic@aracnet.com, VSR-l@listbox.com, wetlands-l@thewetlands.org, goldenvale@egroups.com Message-id: <848e5a3f.3616aaa5@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f as to NT server to put it on......I don't know what he will think about this or agree to....but the guy whose site that I originally sent out...is his own server. To those of you that aren't computer illiterate like myself I know that will mean something to you :) I'm putting his email on here so if you want to talk to him ..... His name is Xenos..you can reach him at Xenos@slowlink.net. And some interesting trivia (hope I have it right been several years) The credit list program he did was used as a test to find bugs on Windows '95. :) cool huh? http://www.slowlink.net Alessandra << I'm actually(well once I get enough time away from work, and a NT server to put it on) planning on Make a Kingdom level CK Online DataBase which I could easily include any other kingdom that Keeps their records in an ODBC complaint Database( Access, Oracle, Informix, and a few others). The plan for the CK was I'd give each Seneschal a User name and Pass and they'd be able to Upload or just use my forms to make changes(that they are allowed to by corpora) to the database, which would then be on the website. IF I were to do this for other kingdoms too I'd give the PM's the ability to add seneschal's and give them UserNames and Pass's. If their are any kingdoms willing to help or just participate in this please email me, then when I find a server and get the app up and running I'll ask you to give me your Databases. Always Having fun, Calidor Squire to Sir Belgarin Member of the Brotherhood From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:20 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2JRPDK1U88ZJFTW@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 21:40:34 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id UAA16593 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 20:35:47 -0600 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 21:31:04 -0500 From: Augustus Stern Subject: Re: [CK] Kansuke's Nightly Announcement (Of interest to maybe three of you) Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: chris dragovic Cc: elktrockn@yahoo.com, darkjester@cobra.ccsi.com, celestial@mLists.net, amtgard-l@amtgard.com, kahlanth@rocketmail.com, Jeffrey_Webb@dell.com Reply-to: abenton@texas.net Message-id: <3616DDE8.546E@texas.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-FlashNet (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk References: <19981004000725.8102.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f It cracks me up how much mileage my post is getting, even though I haven't participated in it for weeks. Ares, I wouldn't worry too much about the smack-talking old farts. If they give you hell about being a newbie, just remind them that they were newbies once, and ask them when they lost their enthusiasm and good cheer. Chances are, they will get flustered and defensive, and forget completely about you. In the meantime, you go fight. Speaking of fighting, I want to encourage all of the newbies in the CK, if you plan on going to Kingdom Quals, to sign up for the war tourneys and fight. I am signing up for everything but sword and board tomorrow, and while I don't expect to Win, you never know. I might get lucky, and at least Place or Show (a little horse race joke). Fighting the old farts when they are at their best is a damned good way to learn how to fight well, and how to beat them in particular! Just jump in. The worst that will happen is you get some good fighting practice. My personal goal for tomorrow is to make a good accounting of myself. If all the people that beat me tomorrow feel like I made them work for their victory, that will be all the victory I need. Vivat Grendel, Brother Yamamoto Kansuke -Usurper Boorish Poet Laureate of the Celestial Kingdom -Hatamoto of Regiment 1, Army of the Celestial Kingdom -Spearweasel of House Darkjester -Member of The Brotherhood -AAPG Guild Coordinator -- http://lonestar.texas.net/~abenton email: abenton@texas.net "Nothing in the world is funnier than a monkey with a banjo. Except maybe two monkeys with banjos" -Mahatma Gandhi From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:20 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2JTN1R5KW8ZI9OG@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:35:57 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id VAA16716 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 21:27:10 -0600 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 22:22:26 -0500 From: Augustus Stern Subject: Re: [CK] Kansuke's Nightly Announcement (Of interest to maybe three of you) Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: healermacleod@juno.com Cc: chris_dragovic@hotmail.com, elktrockn@yahoo.com, darkjester@cobra.ccsi.com, celestial@mLists.net, amtgard-l@amtgard.com, kahlanth@rocketmail.com, Jeffrey_Webb@dell.com Reply-to: abenton@texas.net Message-id: <3616E9F2.61C7@texas.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-FlashNet (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk References: <19981004000725.8102.qmail@hotmail.com> <3616DDE8.546E@texas.net> <19981003.221951.12150.4.HealerMacLeod@juno.com> X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f healermacleod@juno.com wrote: > > Maybe A Cracker Samurai that writes bad poetry... > ;o) > > Cormac > > On Sat, 03 Oct 1998 21:31:04 -0500 Augustus Stern > writes: > >"Nothing in the world is funnier than a monkey with a banjo. Except > >maybe two monkeys with banjos" > > > >-Mahatma Gandhi > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Get secure free e-mail that you don't need Web access to use > from Juno, the world's second largest online service. > Download your free software at http://www.juno.com/getit.b.html. Truth be told, Healer Macleod-san, Brother Yamamoto Kansuke is no samurai, though he was samurai briefly as a very young man. Currently he has no noble status, and is just a lowly spearweasel. The word "samurai" implies some sort of noble status... but in my character history, Kansuke dropped off the bottom end of that spectrum as a young man. At some point in the future, if I become a knight or a noble, I will call myself samurai. In all fairness to you, this is a fine point that only us Asian Studies snots really care about. Cracker semi-samurai, spouting bad verse. not really samurai, poems getting worse. Many cracker people make this mistake. If you not an Asia Snot, It an easy goof to make. -- Crackerly Yours, Brother Yamamoto Kansuke -Usurper Boorish Poet Laureate of the Celestial Kingdom -Hatamoto of Regiment 1, Army of the Celestial Kingdom -Spearweasel of House Darkjester -Assaultweasel of The Brotherhood -AAPG Guild Coordinator http://lonestar.texas.net/~abenton email: abenton@texas.net "Nothing in the world is funnier than a monkey with a banjo. Except maybe two monkeys with banjos" -Mahatma Gandhi From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:21 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2KRUUCPZ48ZJ6HN@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:55:46 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id NAA18341 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Sun, 04 Oct 1998 13:51:04 -0600 Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 15:47:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Allydor@aol.com Subject: Parents of little ones & bards who like to entertain them Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com, IRONMTN-L@LIST.IEX.NET, Celestial@mlists.net, EH-list@flail.com, InlandOcean@onelist.com, mystic@aracnet.com, VSR-l@listbox.com, wetlands-l@thewetlands.org, goldenvale@egroups.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Amtgards wonderful bard Scarhart recorded and sent myself and my little one a song he sang to her at Clan. It is called Waltzing with Bears. A truly adorable song...it enthralled us both at the time and now we sing and waltz with stuffed teddy bears to it. For any of you out there interested in hearing and learning it contact me and I will forward it to you. (Thank you Scarhart !!!) I laugh everytime I hear it...you and your little ones will love it :). Snicker also has Scarharts webpage linked on The Bard Guildpage. Waltzing with Bears is not on there so let me know if you want it and I will send. Alessandra From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:21 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2KSMAR50W8ZKGWS@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:17:07 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA18420 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Sun, 04 Oct 1998 14:10:04 -0600 Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 16:04:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Allydor@aol.com Subject: Re: [CK] Kansuke's Nightly Announcement (Of interest to maybe three of you) Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: abenton@texas.net, chris_dragovic@hotmail.com Cc: elktrockn@yahoo.com, darkjester@cobra.ccsi.com, celestial@mLists.net, amtgard-l@amtgard.com, kahlanth@rocketmail.com, Jeffrey_Webb@dell.com Message-id: <8cc37659.3617d4e8@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Grendel !!!!! thoughts of Grendel bane made in the morning and handed into our first queen Reyna thru the tent flap on a long long wooden paddle come to mind LOL!!!! thank you :). Ummm does anyone by some miracle have the receipe for Grendel Bane(believe it was a concoction came up with in the SCA)???? It was a special blend of coffee and some types of alcohol and not sure what else....it was quite tasty and was amazing the transformation it would bring about on her :)...no one would wake her with out it..... Alessandra << Vivat Grendel, Brother Yamamoto Kansuke >> From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:21 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2KVY0U3G08ZL7TV@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:52:52 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id PAA18614 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Sun, 04 Oct 1998 15:48:26 -0600 Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 14:45:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Penguine 101 Subject: Re: amtgard-l-digest V1 #689 Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19981004214529.919.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [206.154.2.3] X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Yep, for those of you that caught it, it is DRIII, not DRII that I posted about. Sorry, a slip of the finger and a hit of the submit button and away it went. Oh well, I should have proof read it.. Any way, DRIII is close, hopefully many of you will attend. As for me I wont be fighting in this one *sobs* Im going to work the Troll Booth and help run the Quest.. Any way... Acada. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:22 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2L3IAPDU88ZLNPU@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:29:17 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id TAA19023 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Sun, 04 Oct 1998 19:25:51 -0600 Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 18:22:49 -0700 (PDT) From: GoldCrest of_Dragons'_Keep Subject: Dragons Keep Crown Quals. Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: wgilchri@nmsu.edu, flure@swcp.com, amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19981005012250.10477.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [206.154.2.3] X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f The results are in.. This weekend the Barony of Dragons Keep held its Crown Qualifications /Elections. The results are as follows: Warmaster: Master Leo duChevalier A&S Champ: Lord Squire GoldCrest Monarch: Lord Squire GoldCrest Regent: Cubli Kong Champion: Master Leo duChevalier It was a great time, and we cant wait to see you all at Dragons Rage 3 next week. Again, if anyone has any questions concerning DR3, please ask them ASAP, it's just a few days away. In Service, GC ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:22 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2L7I0CEKW8ZL333@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:23:33 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id VAA19295 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:16:53 -0600 Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 20:13:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Master Cain Subject: Re: [InlandOcean] The long road to nowhere Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: InlandOcean@onelist.com Cc: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19981005031351.22058.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [207.149.222.250] X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Geez, Tamisan.... didn't you hear about the shortcut? Takes an hour or more off the trip.... and la Wis Wis is on any good Washington State map, that's how I found the shortcut..... Cain "Life is pain. Anyone who says differently is selling something." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:22 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2LB4UTJPC8ZLY37@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:07:29 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id XAA19626 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Sun, 04 Oct 1998 23:04:06 -0600 Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 22:03:32 -0700 From: Goffrey Wyer Subject: Re: [InlandOcean] The long road to nowhere Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: Master Cain Cc: InlandOcean@onelist.com, amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <36185324.6643FEA9@earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk References: <19981005031351.22058.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f For Once I agree with Cain without the two of us bickering for an hour. We all (even those of us who could not come) were told of the event and with very little effort I found the same shortcut that Cain found. I wanted to send my congrats to you who have been chosen to serve the IO. May your reign be productive, expansive, and lest we all foget what is important, let it be fun. I believe I must take a moment and address the bickering. I hope you know Cal that my response to your story was all in jest, it was truly a good story but lets face it Granite knows fighting, those subtle things mean little to him. As to real bickering, leave it off the list. We can have discussions where we do not agree, but direct attacks are not neccesary. There are plenty of those things going on on the main Amtgard list, lets let the almighty Kings and whatever deal with such high handed writings. Lets let ourselves be ourselves. We are still small enough to be a family of sorts. We may not like all of the family, but who does. Send him or her their own email that lets them know that you think they are lower than dirt. Tamisan - by you I am surprised, you tell me all the time about the need to keep IO together and growing. Then you take the one medium that we all read and you attack the group as a whole. Not a move that makes me stand up and say huzzah!. And Erik your posts have been very enjoyable, a sarcastic humor that sometimes lay in all of our minds yet doesn't get said. Lets keep them as such and leave the direct personal attacks out of the main post. Send them to her personally, I'm sure she'd love to hear from you. Well enough ranting from me. Just remember IO you have a marvelous group started here with something most groups can only dream about...unity, work to keep it not lose it and one day the saying will be "If you want to have fun go to the Kingdom of the Inland Ocean, If you want to argue and fight go to...anywhere else." In Service to the Light and the Dream G. Master Cain wrote: > Geez, Tamisan.... didn't you hear about the shortcut? Takes an hour or > more off the trip.... and la Wis Wis is on any good Washington State > map, that's how I found the shortcut..... > > Cain > > "Life is pain. Anyone who says differently is selling something." > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:23 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2LBKCIWUO8ZLQLZ@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:19:58 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id XAA19698 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Sun, 04 Oct 1998 23:13:19 -0600 Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 22:10:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Shady Ben-Israel Subject: Re: Defining the Dream Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19981005051017.25795.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [208.239.211.126] X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f >Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:26:08 -0700 >To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com >From: "Matthew \"X\" Reinker" >Subject: Defining the Dream > >Valley of Silver Reigns had it's elections yesterday. During the Q&A >section, before the actual voting, a certain question was asked. It went >something like: > "I keep hearing about the Fire. People tell our group [saphire shores] >that we've inherited this 'Fire' and that we should keep it up. Can you >define the 'Fire' and what are you going to do to promote it?" > I just stood there, jaw hanging open. This person was basicly asking to >define the Dream, and couldn't put it into words. It's like trying to >define something that's pure concept. I couldn't really define it, except >with examples. Well neither can I, But here are some more examples :) The dream is what makes me as a newbie want to do gate duty, the dream is what makes Qalor build a shire where there isn't one already and promote it's growth. The dream is what makes you want to work hard to EARN awards. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:23 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2LBUOSDO08ZM2L1@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:28:18 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id XAA19744 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Sun, 04 Oct 1998 23:24:09 -0600 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 05:21:35 +0000 (America/Fort_Wayne) From: Jaeden Dracul Ben-Israel of Ironwolf Subject: Re: [Defining the Dream] Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19981005052135.7127.qmail@www0k.netaddress.usa.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Screw the "Dream", just go out have fun, role-play, make cool garb and have drinks with the guys you were tossing smack at an hour ago. Semper Servus, Jaeden Dracul Ben-Israel of Ironwolf Send all flames to jaeden_handofgod@usa.net ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:23 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2LC2X2K748ZK8AX@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:34:09 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id XAA19790 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Sun, 04 Oct 1998 23:30:07 -0600 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 01:21:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Allydor@aol.com Subject: Re: [InlandOcean] The long road to nowhere Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: InlandOcean@onelist.com, TamisanDV@aol.com Cc: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <308ce42b.36185773@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f I'm commenting on this from the viewpoint of one who has had to find places to hold events in the past. Sometimes you can't always find a place close to home. I'm sure there are alot of autocrats who would agree with that statement. Some people like to be away from civilization when camping :0. And I do believe this was preplanned . I remember forwarding post from Calidran about the event several times for him to lists he is not on. I'm really sorry you had such a hard time(it did sound incredibly frustrating) and did not make it to the event...I think if I had been on the road that long and found out I was only 45 minutes to an hour away I would have gone for it. Just a suggestion. One way to help if you do not like how events are being done is to volunteer to run the next one :). I'm sorry if you feel I am out of line on this but I think you were a bit harsh. Alessandra >> Fellow Inhabitants of the Inland Ocean 'Twas a dark and stormy night.... isn't it always in Seattle? But in this case, it didn't start that way. Due to the weather, I chose to "day trip" it to the event. As you who attended could attest, I obviously did not make it. "Why?" some may ask. For the following reasons: a) The weather was atrocious--it poured most of the way down there b) Traffic was abominable--There was a multi-vehicle cross-median accident at about the first Ft Lewis Exit which backed up I-5 Southbound to about the Tacoma down and Northbound to South of Olympia c) The directions left a lot to be desired, ie, the distance. Admittedly, we all know that Hwy 12 is South of here by about an hour to an hour and half, but we all don't know that you had to follow Hwy 12 about 2 hours out into the boon docks to find this location d) The location was poorly chosen--hey, we live in Seatttle, not Centralia! Whose idea was this to make the Seattle chapter's event closer to Portland than to Seattle? Maybe we should have found something a little closer to our own people? e) Relative to the above difficulties, my traveltime was 5 hours and I STILL did not get there. NO ONE had ever heard of this place until we stopped at Morton and asked. Some random person in the store commented "Oh, yeah, it's about another 45 minutes to an hour towards White's Pass." At this point it was already 8:30 and I was hungry, exhausted and frustrated. End result, I made baked apples and corn bread for this feast, drove 5 hours through miserable weather and traffic to discover that we were up in the COLD mountains so far away from civilization that nobody and no map had ever heard of this place and STILL didn't get to attend the feast. Thank you all for such a lovely event. My beau would like to add a few words: "It is usually smart to have an event--especially an coronation!--as close to the constituents as possible. We would have loved to have been there. Perhaps if next time it is closer, we will make it. A little pre- planning goes a long ways. Thank you." And thus ends another chapter in the comedy of errors history book, Inland Ocean edition. My congratulations to Cal and Mirrim. My advice to you both and the populace: Look to our Kingdom for guidance and advice. They've already made errors enough that we can learn from without committing them ourselves. In service to the Dream, the Kingdom, the Inland Ocean, and the Saracens, Tamisan D'Verdemire Isocarian Warrioress Subchieftain of Saracen Tribe Red Snakes >> From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:23 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2LCHK4GZK8ZKXQY@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:45:58 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id XAA19881 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Sun, 04 Oct 1998 23:40:45 -0600 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 01:36:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Thrythlind@aol.com Subject: Re: Defining the Dream Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: goblincity@hotmail.com, amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <91c26731.36185ad5@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f In a message dated 10/5/98 12:15:45 AM Central Daylight Time, goblincity@hotmail.com writes: > > >Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:26:08 -0700 > >To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com > >From: "Matthew \"X\" Reinker" > >Subject: Defining the Dream > > > >Valley of Silver Reigns had it's elections yesterday. During the Q&A > >section, before the actual voting, a certain question was asked. It > went > >something like: > > "I keep hearing about the Fire. People tell our group [saphire > shores] > >that we've inherited this 'Fire' and that we should keep it up. Can > you > >define the 'Fire' and what are you going to do to promote it?" > > I just stood there, jaw hanging open. This person was basicly > asking to > >define the Dream, and couldn't put it into words. It's like trying to > >define something that's pure concept. I couldn't really define it, > except > >with examples. > Well neither can I, But here are some more examples :) > > The dream is what makes me as a newbie want to do gate duty, the dream > is what makes Qalor build a shire where there isn't one already and > promote it's growth. The dream is what makes you want to work hard to > EARN awards. > The Dream that I play; Is the Dream that I live; Burning a trail; Through the briar; Dancing with my joy; Through the blaze; Rejoicing on high; Coiling and Twisting; Wings spread wide; To catch the sun; And twirl into the sky. From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:24 1998 Return-path: Received: from aol.com ([199.106.86.2]) by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with SMTP id <01J2M45DWBE88ZK5ZB@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:58:04 CST Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 08:25:49 +0000 From: dfulling@kruncher.ptloma.edu Subject: make money FAST To: mlsheltn@mocha.memphis.edu Message-id: <01J2M45E5QKI8ZK5ZB@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> I Never Thought I'd Be the One Telling You This: I Actually Read a Piece of E-Mail & I'm Going to Europe on the Proceeds! Hello! My name is Karen Liddell; I'm a 35-year-old mom, wife, and part-time accountant. 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From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:24 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2LLQZEO0G8ZLIRM@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 05:11:39 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id EAA20303 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 04:07:32 -0600 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 03:04:24 -0700 (PDT) From: The Mad Overlord Subject: Re: amtgard-l-digest V1 #690 Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19981005100424.11530.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [166.102.97.18] X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f WHAT?? The goblin ain't champion no more??? Great, now I have to go make LEGAL weapons... hehehe... Grats to Master Leo, and to Goldcrest and Cub too, I suppose..:) Sorry I missed crown quals.. but I will be at DR, so maybe this year we have a chance to beat the Dragonarmies.... Twitch >Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 18:22:49 PDT >From: "GoldCrest of_Dragons'_Keep" >Subject: Dragons Keep Crown Quals. > > The results are in.. > This weekend the Barony of Dragons Keep held its Crown Qualifications >/Elections. > >The results are as follows: >Warmaster: Master Leo duChevalier >A&S Champ: Lord Squire GoldCrest > >Monarch: Lord Squire GoldCrest >Regent: Cubli Kong >Champion: Master Leo duChevalier > > It was a great time, and we cant wait to see you all at Dragons Rage >3 next week. > > Again, if anyone has any questions concerning DR3, please ask them >ASAP, it's just a few days away. > >In Service, >GC > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:24 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2LQCX1GDS8ZLTTZ@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:23:05 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id GAA20492 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 06:19:52 -0600 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 07:13:28 -0500 From: Wyndi Tindle Subject: RE: [Defining the Dream] Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: "'amtgard-l@amtgard.com'" Message-id: <01BDF02F.A760A5A0@max6-45.ghg.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f >Screw the "Dream", just go out have fun, role-play, make cool garb and have >drinks with the guys you were tossing smack at an hour ago. >Semper Servus, >Jaeden Dracul Ben-Israel of Ironwolf Um, Jaeden? Is there any particular reason you sign your posts with "always a slave?" Topknot : ) Bored? Check out www.thewetlands.org/topknot From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:25 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2LQBT35748ZLQNN@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:22:11 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id GAA20479 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 06:18:01 -0600 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 06:23:48 -0600 From: Quicksilver and Ironpaw Subject: DS Coronation Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: Amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <3618BA54.3952@zianet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f This is Feral Lynn using Ironpaws addy. This is gonna be kinda long. I would like to thank everyone who was involved with DragonSpine's Masked Ball. This has been a dream of mine for a very long time. To see it come to fruition will always be one of my great Amtgard memories. Thank you Dame Weilok for taking a chance and letting us se your stepping down as a guinea pig. For the kick butt decorations I would lke to thank Tigrash and Gloria (I'm sorry dear but I can never remember your Amtgard name). For the wonderfull food I would like to thank Sir Aleric and Sir IronPaw. For doing anything needed at anytime I need to thank Lord Blackthorn and Caun. I would also like to thank Squire Chellyndria for dinner on Friday night during setup and for her hard work when her mundane job wasn't screwing with her. To all who served, set up and took down, and to those who helped in the weeks prior to the event I thank you and your kingdom thanks you. For those that went I hope you enjoyed the evening. For those that couldn't make it you missed on hell of a feast. Just wait till next years ball. It will be even better! Lord Feral Lynn Hammersong, Swordbreaker, Esq. Master Ordelia Draconis, Master Bard Champion of DragonSpine From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:25 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2LUDE0DXC8ZK2UC@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:18:00 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id IAA20726 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 08:07:38 -0600 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 14:04:53 +0000 (America/Fort_Wayne) From: Jaeden Dracul Ben-Israel of Ironwolf Subject: Re: [RE: [Defining the Dream]] Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <19981005140453.975.qmail@www0g.netaddress.usa.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f > Um, Jaeden? Is there any particular reason you sign your posts with > "always a slave?" > > Topknot > : ) I prefer the translation, "In eternal service" actually, more fitting. Semper Servus, Jaeden Dracul Ben-Israel of Ironwolf ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:25 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2LUJ1KI0W8ZM2DR@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:22:40 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id IAA20764 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 08:12:31 -0600 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:07:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Andralaine@aol.com Subject: Re: [CK] Kansuke's Nightly Announcement (Of interest to maybe three of you) Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: DarkLordFT@aol.com, trinity@thoth.anth.utep.edu Cc: chris_dragovic@hotmail.com, elktrockn@yahoo.com, darkjester@cobra.ccsi.com, celestial@mLists.net, abenton@texas.net, amtgard-l@amtgard.com, kahlanth@rocketmail.com, Jeffrey_Webb@dell.com Message-id: <95c220b6.3618d28d@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f In a message dated 10/4/98 11:01:33 PM Mountain Daylight Time, DarkLordFT@aol.com writes: << as the `old lady' *points at Andralaine then ducks* but I've been around for a few years. >> It's great to see that you're still alive. ::::walks over to you gives you a BIG HUG and a kiss on the cheek:::: Who's ya calling an old fart???? Where are you living now? Still in El Paso?........Miss ya as I"m sure a lot of us do in Amtgard. Andie From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:26 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2LV0J9Q8G8ZL9WQ@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:36:44 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id IAA20878 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 08:27:02 -0600 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:23:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Andralaine@aol.com Subject: Re: DS Coronation Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: lightfoot@zianet.com, Amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <9be7eb50.3618d64e@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f In a message dated 10/5/98 6:20:54 AM Mountain Daylight Time, lightfoot@zianet.com writes: << This is Feral Lynn using Ironpaws addy. This is gonna be kinda long. I would like to thank everyone who was involved with DragonSpine's Masked Ball. This has been a dream of mine for a very long time. To see it come to fruition will always be one of my great Amtgard memories. Thank you Dame Weilok for taking a chance and letting us se your stepping down as a guinea pig. For the kick butt decorations I would lke to thank Tigrash and Gloria (I'm sorry dear but I can never remember your Amtgard name). For the wonderfull food I would like to thank Sir Aleric and Sir IronPaw. For doing anything needed at anytime I need to thank Lord Blackthorn and Caun. I would also like to thank Squire Chellyndria for dinner on Friday night during setup and for her hard work when her mundane job wasn't screwing with her. To all who served, set up and took down, and to those who helped in the weeks prior to the event I thank you and your kingdom thanks you. For those that went I hope you enjoyed the evening. For those that couldn't make it you missed on hell of a feast. Just wait till next years ball. It will be even better! Lord Feral Lynn Hammersong, Swordbreaker, Esq. Master Ordelia Draconis, Master Bard Champion of DragonSpine >> To all who didn't go.... You missed out on a grand time. Had so much dancing. The decorations were the best I have EVER seen in my 15 yrs of Amtgard. Feral, if there is anything you would like me to help you with, let me know. I would love to teach more dancing next time too. Court was GRAND. So quiet was the populous. Could hear everything, no real interruptions, people being told the shuddup and sit down. Went well and smooth. Andralaine From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:26 1998 Return-path: Received: from oz.memphis.edu by ADMIN3.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2LW0YJU9C9EDOTD@ADMIN3.MEMPHIS.EDU> for MLSHELTN@ADMIN3.MEMPHIS.EDU; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:05:14 CDT Received: (from root@localhost) by oz.memphis.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29564 for MLSHELTN@cc.memphis.edu; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:05:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from online.no (pilt-s.online.no [193.212.1.34]) by oz.memphis.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA29515 for ; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:05:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from olivia (ti21a23-0038.dialup.online.no [130.67.196.38]) by online.no (8.9.1/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA13891 for ; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 17:05:24 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 17:04:55 +0200 From: "Olik - Ole A. Ringdal" Subject: Re: AGH! In-reply-to: <361125E4.6033AAA3@memphis.edu> To: mlsheltn Message-id: <199810051505.RAA13891@online.no> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-PH: V4.1@oz Ooops! First of all, this isn't necessarily a very big problem. It's only a matter of rewriting the boot sector and then the operating system (OS) will boot up again. That is, unless the perpetrator has overwritten some essential system files or otherwise fucked up the OS. Second, you have to know what OS you were running. If you have a boot disk for the computer, made from within the OS you were running, you can boot up the computer with that floppy and write SYS C:. If the SYS.COM command isn't on the boot disk, you can find it in C:\WINDOWS or C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND, if you're running Win95 or Win98 and that one was installed to the above path. If you're running DOS and Win3.x on top of that, the command is in C:\DOS. Anyway, use the SYS.COM command that corresponds to the OS you are running, and it will fix everything. Sorry about not talking more, but my life's a real mess right now. I'll get back to you later. Cheers! ------------ O L I K ------------ --------- Ole A Ringdal --------- -------- olear@online.no -------- ----- olik@bergen.online.no ----- --- http://home.sol.no/~olear --- From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:26 1998 Return-path: Received: from spud.rol1.com (spud.xta.com) by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with SMTP id <01J2LXRM6RVK8ZKPRM@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:55:50 CST Received: from RKFD-TC2-46.ROL1.com (RKFD-TC2-46.ROL1.com [207.170.59.226]) by spud.rol1.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.aas3) with ESMTP id da013055 for ; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:56:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:44:15 -0500 From: Jeff Higdon Subject: Robert Baker, among other things... To: Matthew Shelton Message-id: <3618E94E.A5839D60@xta.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-NECCK (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Matthew, If you talk to Robert anytime soon please let him know I have gotten his packet and I plan to compose his stories on a website (with very little editing) hosted by the Shiloh. Its will be under the title STAR TREK: TRANSFIRE. Also let him know he has been promoted to the rank of Commander. I will be sending out a packet to him in the next few days. How did TigerCon III go? I hope it was better than last time. Karen Cushing sent me the schedule for it as I am subscribed to the Twain Listserv. BTW, I am doing a subscribers list for the ComBadge. Would you like me to add you to that list as a courtesy? It would be a TXT version although plans are now in the works to enable you to upload the DOC (Word 6, Officer 97) Format and the Fonts needed. Matter of fact if you go to our site ( http://www.webstuff.net/shiloh/ ) and go to the main page you can access it from there. I hope things are going well. Have to go. Talk at you latter. Jeff Higdon -- Jeff Higdon [mailto:higdon@xta.com mailto:higdon@gocubs.com] Vice Chair, International Fandom Council; Chair, The General Assembly Captain (SFI); Director, STARFLEET Diplomatic Corps mailto:DiploCorps@sfi.org [http://www.webstuff.net/shiloh/diplocorps.htm] Commanding Officer, USS Shiloh-RRASTSSA [http://shiloh.sfi.org/] mailto:uss.shiloh@sfilorg Admiral (FA); Commander, The Eight Fleet, Federated Alliance (FA) (NOTE: This space full because of billboard restrictions) ;-) From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:27 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2M4OAVT7K8ZLOM1@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:13:16 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA21367 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 12:57:51 -0600 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 11:54:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Giacomo Bard of the Realm Subject: Re: [CK] September 1998 B.O.D. Minutes Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com, SirBolt@aol.com Message-id: <19981005185437.24524.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [206.160.219.146] X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Actually, Sir Bolt (and who ever authored the origional comment) contrary to the theory that this comment implies, people in the CK are not Clairvoient, and do not know what is going on with our Monarch 24/7. Most of us don't get news of any of these happenings untill after the fit has hit the shan and we get cought in the cross fire. Even if the ENTIRE population of the CK had known what had happened and found it offencive enough to take FT's crown : A) no one gave us a chance to even consider it before outside forces jumped the gun and went straigt over our heads on that matter B) Some people have this little disease called forgiveness, we might see that FT admited his mistake, made a formal appoplgy and promise never to let it happen again and would say "ok see that it doesn't" but again out side forces immediately snatched up the torches and the pitch forks and started storming the CK gates shouting "burn the monster" before we even knew what had happened. And as far as the comment that went something like "the entire kingdom is exactly like the king" that is utter hog-wash and any body with common sence would see that. If that were true, every body in the BL would be Cranky and upset with every thing that every other kingdom did ( yes I know JW is not THAT bad but I'm streaching to make a point). There was an old saying that went "those who are the most fit to lead, seldom get the position" and that is true. There are LOTS of great people in the CK but they are not well enough known to be able to run for office because, lets face it...the position is really a popularity contest between those running. And if nobody knows you, or if you are not well liked because you try to stick to the letter of the rules/ Copora you are not going to get the Position even if God him-self put you on this earth JUST to be Monarch in Amtgard, and that is a fact and I think you all should know that by know. Giacomo the Exasperated "Life is full of Promises....its up to you to keep them." -S. Giefer << But in Amtgard, the populace of a kingdom has the final approval over that Monarch's actions. If a Monarch (or any officer, for that matter) acts in a manner totally inconsistent with or in direct violation of the Corpora/Contract/Rules of Play, it is the populace's right -- actually, their responsibility -- to hold them accountable. That is why the section on removing officers is in the Corpora, after all; to prevent some Monarch or other official from thinking that He Is The Way And The Light and can do no wrong. By letting Father Thomas' alleged violations go without comment, CK affirmed him the right to do so. >> I think someone has the picture......... Bolt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:27 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2M7P07PKG8ZL5YY@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:40:32 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA21574 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 14:18:10 -0600 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 16:15:09 -0400 From: "Leger, Noelle" Subject: EH MidReign Oct. 16, 17 & 18 - Directions Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: "'eh-list@flail.com'" , 'Zed Bon'' , 'Amtgard Announce' , 'Amtgard' , 'Celestial Kingdom' , 'TopKnot' Message-id: <67441A960C06D211B4A30000F875177D501EBC@mtmsg06prv.tru.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-type: text/plain Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f X-Priority: 1 *** Emerald Hills MidReign XXI *** When: October 16th, 17th & 18th Where: Tanglewood Forest How To Get There: Directions! Very Detailed: 1. Find Interstate 45 (I-45) on a Texas map, which runs between Dallas and Houston. 2. Locate the city of CORSICANA along I-45 (about 1/3 way down from Dallas & 2/3 way up from Houston). 3. Take I-45 to Corsicana (of course, you'll head SOUTH from Dallas, or head NORTH from Houton). 4. Exit Highway 31W in Corsicana (about 55 miles south of downtown Dallas). Head WEST on 31W. (If you're driving from Dallas, take a RIGHT onto 31W & of course, if you're heading from Houston, you'd take a LEFT onto 31W). 5. Drive about 15 miles West on 31W, until you pass the HWY 55 intersection. You are now in Silver City. (Careful, it's a small city! If you reach the city of Hubbard, turn around, you've gone too far!) 6. About three streets down, on your RIGHT will be FM 3050. Take a RIGHT onto FM 3050. The street will run about 1/2 mile, then bend LEFT. 7. Continue to follow this same road, which has now changed names to FM 3060, for another 1/2 mile or so, until you see a road on your RIGHT called FM 3040. 8. Take a RIGHT onto FM 3040, and again, drive another 1/2 or so. McFaddens land will be on your left-hand side. At this point, there should be signs or people, or cars... something to direct you into the parking lot. Here are the Condensed Versions: From Dallas: 1. Take I-45 SOUTH, 55 miles to Corsicana. *********************************SHORTCUT******************************* ****** Take "45 BUSINESS - CORSICANA" exit off I-45 South and drive about 5 miles. This will take you into the middle of Corsicana and cut about 10 minutes off your drive. ************************************************************************ ************** 2. Exit 31W, take a RIGHT (WEST) onto 31W. 3. Take 31W WEST, 15 miles to Silver City. 4. Once you pass the Hwy 55 intersection, locate FM 3050 on you RIGHT. 5. RIGHT on FM 3050, drive 1/2 mile. 6. FM 3050 becomes into FM 3060, drive another 1/2 mile until FM 3040. 7. RIGHT on FM 3040, drive 1/2 mile. 8. McFadden's land is on your LEFT. Look for signs of life. From Houston: 1. Take I-45 NORTH to Corsicana. 2. Exit 31W and take a LEFT (WEST) on 31W. 3. Follow steps 3-8 (above). From Waco: 1. Take 31W EAST to FM 3050 near Silver City. 2. Take a LEFT onto FM 3050, drive 1/2 miles. (If you hit Hwy 55, you've gone too far!) 3. Follow steps 6-8 (above) From Austin: 1. Take I-35 NORTH to 31W in Waco. 2. Take 31W EAST to FM 3050 near Silver City. 3. Take a LEFT onto FM 3050. 4. Follow steps 6-8 (above). I also have directions from El Paso, Pocatello Idaho, and Anchorage Alaska... and I'm not afraid to use them! :) Please forward this email to any lists I may have overlooked (as I know I am not able to post on the wetlist.) Thanks guys! Lady Shaylen > -----Original Message----- > From: Zed Bon' [SMTP:zedbon@hotmail.com] > > Does anyone have official information about our Mid-Reign? > Thanks, Zed > From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:27 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2MKAFB5N48ZLNLA@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:40:05 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id UAA22533 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 20:34:56 -0600 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 19:25:45 -0700 From: Tristan Lightgaard Subject: Re: Allegence Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: TamisanDV@aol.com Cc: amtgard-l@amtgard.com, vsr-l@listbox.com, sararcen-l@amtgard.com, TiMorgan@aol.com, Leri@aol.com, weazelbob@hotmail.com, AnyaLight@aol.com Message-id: <36197FA9.B731D087@nlights.net> Organization: Boocholios Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk References: <606d3959.36197c4c@aol.com> X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f Don't bring us down because of your own screw ups in the past. Inland Ocean is a great land with many talented and special people who care about each other and this land. Because you view us as incompetent because you haven't gotten what you felt you deserved is your own tough luck. Your attempts to try and bring us down are very low and go against your statement of "Eternally in service to the Dream, Amtgard". Your hypocrisy reveals your fraud. I don't have to do anything. Squire Tristan Lightgaard > Here ye all who knowest me and my land!! > > I do, as of this moment, declare my allegence no longer of the Barony of the > Inland Ocean, but, in reversion, to my Kingdom and long-time patron, the > Kingdom of Dragonspine. > > Whomever must know, I have found the residents unpalatable and am leaving them > to their own folly. Let their errs be their own. I will have no more of it. > > Unto the monarch of Dragonspine I say, my records still abide amongst you, let > my heart return to those whom I respect and admire. > > As to where I shall reside in body.... 'tis unrevealed by the forces of > nature and fate as of this moment. > > Wish me well as this mercenary rejoins the road she knows so intimately. > > Eternally in service to the Dream, Amtgard, Dragonspine, Isocar and Saracens, > > Tamisan D'Verdemire > Isocarian Warrioress > Subchieftain, Saracen Tribe Red Snakes -- "Are all men from the future loud mouth braggarts?" "Nope, just me baby, just me." -Army of Darkness- House Glory http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/1322 From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:27 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2MLYGVJSW8ZMHJM@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:28:29 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id VAA22775 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:24:32 -0600 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:21:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Thrythlind@aol.com Subject: Wraith Lord (obviously taken from Tolkien) Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com, celestial@mlists.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f <> Wraith Lord Type: Undead Questor Ratio: 5/1 Armor: 2 pts natural can wear up to 4 points Shield: none Attacks: Any unhinged melee or by Touch Abilities: 1) Any weapon that touches a Wraith Lord will be destroyed in a 100 count. (relics and hardened weapons immune.) 2) Gaseous Form as Vampire, fire or enchanted weapons to destroy. 3) Fireball 1/U 4) Death's Grip, the wraith touches the target an declares "Death's Grip" the victim is poisoned and dies in a hundred count. Upon death they start a new life as a Wraith under the Wraith Lord's control. 5) Scare 2/L as wraith 6) Dire Steed 1/L. "I summon my steed."x10 must be spoken at the Wraith Lord's base for this ability to be initiated. The Wraith Lord can now fly be stating "Fly"x3 and Land by stating "Land"x3. The next hit to the Wraith Lord "kills" the steed, if the Wraith Lord happened to be flying at the time then he is forced into gaseous form as well. 7) Honor Duel 2/L 8) Yield 1/L 9) Immune to Death Magic 10) Immune to Wounding and Hold Person Vulnerabilities 1) The Wraith Lord is blind and can only see individuals using, under the effect of, or carrying some form of magic. Otherwise they cannot react to an individual until the unmagicakal player is within 10'. Lives: 1 Levels: None Description: Wraith Lords are vile undead creatures that gained there affliction by making some kind of dark pact with an evil power. Almost all were lords or ladies in their mortal life. Garb: Dark robes, executioner's hood, often some kind of crown or other headgear that appears twisted, broken or otherwise corrupted. From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:28 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2MOB303TC8ZN2RM@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:35:08 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id WAA23044 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 22:32:21 -0600 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:28:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Thrythlind@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Wraith Lord (obviously taken from Tolkien) Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com, celestial@mlists.net Message-id: <1c0674b8.36199c8a@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_907648138_boundary" Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_907648138_boundary Content-ID: <0_907648138@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Well, it's been somewhere around forty-five minutes, and I haven't seen it appear on my list so just in case here it is again. --part0_907648138_boundary Content-ID: <0_907648138@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Thrythlind@aol.com Return-path: To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com, celestial@mlists.com Subject: Wraith Lord (obviously taken from Tolkien) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:21:05 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit <> Wraith Lord Type: Undead Questor Ratio: 5/1 Armor: 2 pts natural can wear up to 4 points Shield: none Attacks: Any unhinged melee or by Touch Abilities: 1) Any weapon that touches a Wraith Lord will be destroyed in a 100 count. (relics and hardened weapons immune.) 2) Gaseous Form as Vampire, fire or enchanted weapons to destroy. 3) Fireball 1/U 4) Death's Grip, the wraith touches the target an declares "Death's Grip" the victim is poisoned and dies in a hundred count. Upon death they start a new life as a Wraith under the Wraith Lord's control. 5) Scare 2/L as wraith 6) Dire Steed 1/L. "I summon my steed."x10 must be spoken at the Wraith Lord's base for this ability to be initiated. The Wraith Lord can now fly be stating "Fly"x3 and Land by stating "Land"x3. The next hit to the Wraith Lord "kills" the steed, if the Wraith Lord happened to be flying at the time then he is forced into gaseous form as well. 7) Honor Duel 2/L 8) Yield 1/L 9) Immune to Death Magic 10) Immune to Wounding and Hold Person Vulnerabilities 1) The Wraith Lord is blind and can only see individuals using, under the effect of, or carrying some form of magic. Otherwise they cannot react to an individual until the unmagicakal player is within 10'. Lives: 1 Levels: None Description: Wraith Lords are vile undead creatures that gained there affliction by making some kind of dark pact with an evil power. Almost all were lords or ladies in their mortal life. Garb: Dark robes, executioner's hood, often some kind of crown or other headgear that appears twisted, broken or otherwise corrupted. --part0_907648138_boundary-- From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:28 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2MOPAEVG08ZJQ2S@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:46:35 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id WAA23125 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 22:43:32 -0600 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 22:41:25 -0600 (MDT) From: Sir Aramithris Subject: Re: The B.O.D. In-reply-to: Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: Allydor@aol.com Cc: amtgard-l@amtgard.com, Celestial@mlists.net, EH-list@flail.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f The total list of CK belts this reign is marked, no need to yell here. The Board of Directors will deal with this issue this saturday. There really is nothing else to say. -King Aramithris On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 Allydor@aol.com wrote: > Your Majesty, > > If you feel I have violated you and screwed you and that I am trying to bring > Amtgard down...I apologize for that. I asked a question...reading the now > copora would not have answered the question. I asked when did that get put > into the copora. > > I realize now that my asking that question pulled attention away from what > your point was hence the feeling of betrayal and anger. Again I apologize. > Yes all should know what is in the copora when they go into office...hence > copora test to qualify to run for the monarchy. People do make > mistakes...people do at times let their emotions govern their decision without > combing rules and regulations before taking actions. Not only on this public > forum but when a ruler makes a decision to award/knight...whatever. Hopefully > this is a warning to all monarchs out there and all monarchs to come....follow > your coporas unfailingly or throw your lands and Amtgard into chaos...now that > that warning is drilled into everyones heads what happens now? > > There is obviously so much more to this whole issue then what we the public > are privy to. I personally wish people would agree on the numbers and when > they happened. Princess Wynd posted who the CK Knights in FT's reigns > were...and they do not come close to the 14 knights in 12 weeks that you > quoted to the IM list. If I'm wrong on what she posted I ask it be resent to > me since I have deleted it...for some reason the number 6 comes to mind. I > for one would like to know the facts. (And there seems to be more to this > then numbers.) Why? because myself and others on the list are not privy to > them....we are only privy to what you the monarchs deceid to post. And > frankly when things are posted as they have been then fear, anger and dread > arise. So, if you and others would like us to stay out of these issues and > quit grasping at straws....then please post them privately to each other and > not to the list where we all wonder and everyone throws out their opinions on > what very little is said.....but that very little is enough to throw things > into chaos. > > Hopefully once again I am not making things worse. And I ask that any further > insults be directed at me privately because when done publicly it detracts > some if not completely from what the issue you are addressing is. > > And your Majesty...J.....I never turned away from you. You are my friend and > always will be ...you know that I love you....it is in my nature to question > what I do not fully understand or agree with....it is this issue I question. > It is this issue that I do not agree with based on the information that has > been put on the lists. And I don't believe seeking facts and clarifications > should be considered a betrayal. It truly is not meant to be one. I think > both sides should be completely honest about all of what is happening...no > more intrigue. Please. > > So...any chance of moving up the BOD meeting or both sides telling us all the > facts...any takers eh eh ????? :0 > > > Alessandra > > > PS. and as I was telling someone the other day :) my happy thought is that > there are amtgardians out there playing that aren't on the lists...that have > no idea what all the political stuff is going on...and that they are out there > having a good time...fighting, laughing, singing, playing together....oh that > we could all always feel that magic....it might be hard to at times...but > close your eyes and try really hard....sometimes you get what you wish for :) > > {{{{{hugs}}}}} > > > > > > > << Alessandra, like you, Roger, is a pure soul, and that entails a lot of > emotions. Being responsible for people, ie, being in office, means being > caring, but also rational, and knowing the facts. > > Alessandra has totally violated that, and frankly, screwed her King and > the person who has totally supported her. > > But then again, for me to react emotionally makes me just as bad as the > people who would bring Amtgard down, doesn't it? > > I have to admit I am wrong on this, and I apologize, Sir Roger, and Sir > Alessandra, if you would have me back, I would have you back. I am > sorry. > -King Aramithris of ALL the Lands that Burn > > From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:28 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2MPQLELM88ZJZL2@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:16:40 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id XAA23361 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:14:06 -0600 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:11:57 -0600 (MDT) From: Sir Aramithris Subject: RE: B.O.D In-reply-to: <7d13d7d8.361534ab@aol.com> Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: Allydor@aol.com Cc: Andralaine@aol.com, amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f All you retards who pretend you defend Alesandra, I think not. I care for her, I was so taken by her at clan. I alone will suffer when she rejects me. The rest of you fat farts, go away. -J On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 Allydor@aol.com wrote: > Dear Andralaine and anyone else that gets offended by what was said to me.... > Thank you for defending me, but lets please all try to get thru this without > any more ugliness and lets expect the issues at hand to get straightened up > soon. When the people who usually post funny light things to the list start > talking like the rest of us its way past time to stop. > > With light, > > Alessandra > > > > > > > WHAT? What?? Screwed what King???? Alessandra? Give me a break. JW, > your > above statement made absolutely no sence. Knowing facts? We'll JW, I > have > caught you in too many fact wrongs. Where does that leave you??? Who did > you > screw??? Caring is wrong? In your eyes? Have you back? Back from > what? > DOH????? > > My 2 senses........sight and touch (bad feeling I'm getting) > > From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:29 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2MPPKXR688ZMIFN@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:15:51 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id XAA23350 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:13:43 -0600 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 22:12:39 -0700 From: Goffrey Wyer Subject: A Moment Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: "TamisanDV@aol.com" , Inland Ocean List , "amtgard-l@amtgard.com" Message-id: <3619A6C7.71FC0EA8@earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f To the members of both of the "lists" that this has gone to I apologize for the intrusion, I do not however know exactly how to make sure this message gets to the right recipient. I hope that this does it and I promise that you won't get another post like this from me. You mind filling me in on exactly what the Hell, is going on here. You up and take yourself out of the Inland Ocean and don't even bother to tell me about it, me who is supposed to be you "second". I'm not sure I appreciate the lack of concern. It was you who told me that the Saracens were changing and becoming more caring of their members and this is the treatment that I receive when things start to be tough. Thanks so much and believe me you don't know the effect it has had on me. But then again maybe you are about to find out. I withdrawl from your group of the Saracens and frankly I do not think that if you continue to be as you are and run your group as you have chosen too then you should have your own group at all. I regret that it has to be this way but I do believe that you have embarked upon a road that you knew very well and I hope the final outcome is what you Ultimately were looking for. Squire Granite Jeweleater Proud to be a Member of the Inland Ocean family Currently without a fighting company unless another tribe of the Saracens is looking for a warm body. From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:29 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2MQKJXZJ48ZMLE9@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:40:05 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id XAA23501 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:37:29 -0600 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:22:29 -0500 From: Talthyr Subject: RE: B.O.D Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu X-Sender: talthyr@netdirect.net To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <3.0.32.19981006002227.006c362c@netdirect.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f For the ever-livin' love o' duct tape... can we knock it off already? I swear, it's an Amtgard soap opera. I check my email and find out the latest dirt on J and Ally. Who's gonna say what next? Is Allesandra seeing another Kingdom behind his back? Did Andralaine see the "secret" pictures? Find out next week on Days of our Amtlives. Ok Aramithris, you got your slams in... your ego's reinflated. Now give it a rest. I've seen several requests to take personal bickering to private emails and keep it off the list! You're no exception. It's not your words that make you look big -- it's that dress... In service to the list, Baron Talthyr Dszaradin Barony of the Rising Winds At 11:11 PM 10/5/98 -0600, Aramithris wrote: >All you retards who pretend you defend Alesandra, I think not. > >I care for her, I was so taken by her at clan. > >I alone will suffer when she rejects me. > >The rest of you fat farts, go away. > -J > >On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 Allydor@aol.com wrote: > >> Dear Andralaine and anyone else that gets offended by what was said to me.... >> Thank you for defending me, but lets please all try to get thru this without >> any more ugliness and lets expect the issues at hand to get straightened up >> soon. When the people who usually post funny light things to the list start >> talking like the rest of us its way past time to stop. >> >> With light, >> >> Alessandra >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WHAT? What?? Screwed what King???? Alessandra? Give me a break. JW, >> your >> above statement made absolutely no sence. Knowing facts? We'll JW, I >> have >> caught you in too many fact wrongs. Where does that leave you??? Who did >> you >> screw??? Caring is wrong? In your eyes? Have you back? Back from >> what? >> DOH????? >> >> My 2 senses........sight and touch (bad feeling I'm getting) >> >> > > > From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:29 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2MQNMPFTS8ZLNGL@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:42:31 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id XAA23522 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:40:35 -0600 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:38:23 -0600 (MDT) From: Sir Aramithris Subject: Re: [CK] Re: The B.O.D. In-reply-to: <36156AA1.2EF32347@netmdc.com> Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: Talon Cc: J Stretton , Allydor@aol.com, amtgard-l@amtgard.com, Celestial@mlists.net, EH-list@flail.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f I will not spam or slam. I will say, it is true, the posts and awards have been made here. Burning Lands is very cautious in its awards. I will not indulge in any arguments over how many ck or bl belts have been given, this is a matter of public record, and people who question this should look and listen, the truth is there. The Board of Directors will deal with what other people had no morality to deal with. On my honor, I never wanted CK hurt, on my honor, so be it, when its officers lies, betray, award everything, accomplish nothing. Yes, I am stessed also, and I will tell the board of directors what I saw, and they will judge, and yes, I have influence there, but no, I do not run it. Frankly, I am afraid, I think CK may be lost to us, there is no apology, no try to care from their officers, no attempt to negotiation, just lies to you all on this list, and trust me, they award the awards, we record them. Not sure what to say. I am very sad here. Is so funny, I am considered a moderate on the bod, I yell on this list, and amtgard thinks I am a radical. I really hope we can salvage ck. -Aramithris From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:29 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2N2ZTOKPS8ZNA8T@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:35:56 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id FAA24153 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 05:33:24 -0600 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 05:30:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Theodoxus@webtv.net (James Armstead) Subject: Re: Wraith Lord (obviously taken from Tolkien) Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: Thrythlind@aol.com Cc: amtgard-l@amtgard.com, celestial@mlists.com Message-id: <2256-3619FF53-234@mailtod-212.iap.bryant.webtv.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-2032753309-81 Content-transfer-encoding: 7Bit Precedence: bulk X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAxwJGdgciIJP6powzkE68gTNao6cCFQCa03njU/0k7dXQ+OogHlDHxhRVSA== X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f --WebTV-Mail-2032753309-81 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Sounds pretty close to the original concept by Tolkein. Have you gotten a chace to play test it yet? Master Theodoxus of PV --WebTV-Mail-2032753309-81 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.92]) by postoffice-211.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) with ESMTP id UAA27942; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu (horus.anth.utep.edu [129.108.63.11]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id UAA02310; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id VAA22775 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:24:32 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f From: Thrythlind@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:21:05 EDT To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com, celestial@mlists.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Wraith Lord (obviously taken from Tolkien) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu Precedence: bulk <> Wraith Lord Type: Undead Questor Ratio: 5/1 Armor: 2 pts natural can wear up to 4 points Shield: none Attacks: Any unhinged melee or by Touch Abilities: 1) Any weapon that touches a Wraith Lord will be destroyed in a 100 count. (relics and hardened weapons immune.) 2) Gaseous Form as Vampire, fire or enchanted weapons to destroy. 3) Fireball 1/U 4) Death's Grip, the wraith touches the target an declares "Death's Grip" the victim is poisoned and dies in a hundred count. Upon death they start a new life as a Wraith under the Wraith Lord's control. 5) Scare 2/L as wraith 6) Dire Steed 1/L. "I summon my steed."x10 must be spoken at the Wraith Lord's base for this ability to be initiated. The Wraith Lord can now fly be stating "Fly"x3 and Land by stating "Land"x3. The next hit to the Wraith Lord "kills" the steed, if the Wraith Lord happened to be flying at the time then he is forced into gaseous form as well. 7) Honor Duel 2/L 8) Yield 1/L 9) Immune to Death Magic 10) Immune to Wounding and Hold Person Vulnerabilities 1) The Wraith Lord is blind and can only see individuals using, under the effect of, or carrying some form of magic. Otherwise they cannot react to an individual until the unmagicakal player is within 10'. Lives: 1 Levels: None Description: Wraith Lords are vile undead creatures that gained there affliction by making some kind of dark pact with an evil power. Almost all were lords or ladies in their mortal life. Garb: Dark robes, executioner's hood, often some kind of crown or other headgear that appears twisted, broken or otherwise corrupted. --WebTV-Mail-2032753309-81-- From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:30 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2N3EH5FLC8ZMI80@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:47:45 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id FAA24211 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 05:45:18 -0600 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 04:42:17 -0700 (PDT) From: K'tai bin R'al Subject: Re: Defining the Dream In-reply-to: Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: Amtgard Mailing List Reply-to: K'tai bin R'al Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Matthew "X" Reinker wrote: > So I put it to you, What is the Dream to you? To me, the Dream is the fleeting notion that something can be more than it really is; that you can step into a public park and not really be there, but instead be on a screaming bloody battlefield ready to kill and die; that you can show up at fairgrounds and really be visiting a grand castle where you have been invited to revel; that foam and kitespar can become deadly steel and little red padded balls are actually orbs of lethal fire. I won't say it's the Dream that makes it Amtgard, because filling out the right pieces of paper and following the rules makes you Amtgard. But the Dream is what breathes life into the game and makes it something to get hooked on. I caught a look at it my first day out during a Quest, and it's what has kept me coming back even though Tanglewood Forest is eating my kingdom alive and the last three weeks have seen my home park dwindle to fewer people than I can count on two hands. It's what makes me a Healer and not some crazy chick running around in her nightgown babbling about white lights and something stunning. Lady K'tai bin R'al, Sister of the Open Heart Guildmistress of Healers, Midnight Sun and Emerald Hills Female Superior of Crawling Chaos~ Jesus' little Amazon half-sister From - Tue Oct 06 09:24:30 1998 Return-path: Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu by MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #D3067) with ESMTP id <01J2N3DYJRA88ZN54O@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU> for mlsheltn@MOCHA.MEMPHIS.EDU; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:47:20 CST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id FAA24224 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Tue, 06 Oct 1998 05:45:43 -0600 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 05:42:42 -0600 (MDT) From: Theodoxus@webtv.net (James Armstead) Subject: Re: Wraith Lord (obviously taken from Tolkien) Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu To: Thrythlind@aol.com Cc: amtgard-l@amtgard.com Message-id: <2255-361A0232-498@mailtod-212.iap.bryant.webtv.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-2018805769-164 Content-transfer-encoding: 7Bit Precedence: bulk X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQ5gpcSKFENTqbKT65VYGfN0KkqJwIUKT2rkl2d7VSpv6unSs+sUnPjySU= X-Authentication-warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f --WebTV-Mail-2018805769-164 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Sounds pretty close to the original concept by Tolkein. Have you gotten a chace to play test it yet? Master Theodoxus of PV --WebTV-Mail-2018805769-164 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.92]) by postoffice-211.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) with ESMTP id UAA27942; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from horus.anth.utep.edu (horus.anth.utep.edu [129.108.63.11]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id UAA02310; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by horus.anth.utep.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id VAA22775 for amtgard-l-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:24:32 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: horus.anth.utep.edu: majordom set sender to owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu using -f From: Thrythlind@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:21:05 EDT To: amtgard-l@amtgard.com, celestial@mlists.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Wraith Lord (obviously taken from Tolkien) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Sender: owner-amtgard-l@horus.anth.utep.edu Precedence: bulk <> Wraith Lord Type: Undead Questor Ratio: 5/1 Armor: 2 pts natural can wear up to 4 points Shield: none Attacks: Any unhinged melee or by Touch Abilities: 1) Any weapon that touches a Wraith Lord will be destroyed in a 100 count. (relics and hardened weapons immune.) 2) Gaseous Form as Vampire, fire or enchanted weapons to destroy. 3) Fireball 1/U 4) Death's Grip, the wraith touches the target an declares "Death's Grip" the victim is poisoned and dies in a hundred count. Upon death they start a new life as a Wraith under the Wraith Lord's control. 5) Scare 2/L as wraith 6) Dire Steed 1/L. "I summon my steed."x10 must be spoken at the Wraith Lord's base for this ability to be initiated. The Wraith Lord can now fly be stating "Fly"x3 and Land by stating "Land"x3. The next hit to the Wraith Lord "kills" the steed, if the Wraith Lord happened to be flying at the time then he is forced into gaseous form as well. 7) Honor Duel 2/L 8) Yield 1/L 9) Immune to Death Magic 10) Immune to Wounding and Hold Person Vulnerabilities 1) The Wraith Lord is blind and can only see individuals using, under the effect of, or carrying some form of magic. Otherwise they cannot react to an individual until the unmagicakal player is within 10'. Lives: 1 Levels: None Description: Wraith Lords are vile undead creatures that gained there affliction by making some kind of dark pact with an evil power. Almost all were lords or ladies in their mortal life. Garb: Dark robes, executioner's hood, often some kind of crown or other headgear that appears twisted, broken or otherwise corrupted. --WebTV-Mail-2018805769-164--